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 Posted:   Aug 21, 2016 - 10:20 PM   
 By:   kaseykockroach   (Member)

It's sort of been a project to listen to every single Jerry Goldsmith score. Not every single note of each one, just a few cues each time. Naturally, some resonate with my ears and I want to hear more, or some don't and I move on.
Of particular curiosity has been his Star Trek music. I'm familiar with TMP of course, but I haven't delved into the rest yet and I'm not sure what the general consensus is.
After the original masterwork, which would you say is Goldsmith's best work for Star Trek? Final Frontier, First Contact, Insurrection or Nemesis?

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2016 - 10:25 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

My vote goes to "Final Frontier".
Robust, delicate, sublime.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2016 - 10:44 PM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)

FINAL FRONTIER, hands down. In my book, it's not even close! And the complete edition (either the LLL or Intrada) is absolutely essential.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2016 - 11:24 PM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

It's sort of been a project to listen to every single Jerry Goldsmith score. Not every single note of each one, just a few cues each time. Naturally, some resonate with my ears and I want to hear more, or some don't and I move on.


I don't get the whole piecemeal approach to soundtrack listening. I don't take a CD off the shelf unless I'm confident that I'll have time to listen to the whole thing from beginning to end. If I'm short on time, I'll choose a compilation or collection of suites or shorter scores so I can fit the mini-experience, as complete as was intended, into the time I'm able to dedicate to it. I know, I'm weird.

Finally, to answer your question, The Final Frontier!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 1:04 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

"The Final Frontier"

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 2:20 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I really enjoy them all, and I'm particularly fond of INSURRECTION, but if it's just one, yes, I'd go with THE FINAL FRONTIER as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 4:02 AM   
 By:   jb1234   (Member)

The Final Frontier. The other Trek scores are fine but they're mostly action adventure scores, whereas TFF gave Goldsmith room to write really majestic music.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 4:05 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I agree, it's The Final Frontier, although none of the Star Trek sequel scores stands up to the amazing first.

I actually wish JG hadn't gone back to the TMP and Klingon Battle themes in his sequel scores, because in ST:TMP they felt like stately and serious themes. However, in STV—and this is my one and only criticism—they come across less stately and seriously and there's a point where the score flips back and forth between faster versions of these themes to the extent it starts to feel a bit like a Tom and Jerry style of scoring.

Nevertheless, a very enjoyable score.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 5:04 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Final Frontier by a long shot.

First Contact has a wonderful theme but I don't care much for the Borg music.

Insurrection is pleasant but forgettable, to me.

Nemesis exists. It is a thing. I get some pleasure out of it when I listen to it. And then I forget it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

As much as I enjoy TFF, the score sounds like "Space Rambo Beats Up the Brats from Explorers", so I'll go with Nemesis aka "Future Mad Max Gets B!tch Slapped by the British French Guy."

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 7:19 AM   
 By:   kaseykockroach   (Member)

I love Explorers and Tom & Jerry, so I'm apparently in for a treat. razz

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   FredGarvin   (Member)

Final Frontier has some great stuff (as well as all the other ones), but I really like Insurrection a lot. It just sounds to me like something Goldsmith might have done in the early 80's.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   Cmdr. Bond   (Member)

As score, Nemesis. As a listening experience, The Final Frontier.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

As much as I enjoy TFF, the score sounds like "Space Rambo Beats Up the Brats from Explorers"

SOLD! You have an unorthodox future in marketing.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Moviedrone   (Member)

The Final Frontier. I like Insurrection a lot, and it and First Contact both have wonderful themes.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

When it came out, some people were annoyed at Nemesis for having what sounded too much like the monster theme in Deep Rising. But I've come to see the score as possibly being a deliberate attempt by Goldsmith to pay homage to the sounds of the original series. The Romulan music does sound like Deep Rising, but doesn't it also have a style like Gerald Fried's music for "Friday's Child"? And the electronic thumping is similar to the electric guitar Fried used for Vulcans in "Amok Time", perhaps making the connection between Vulcans and Romulans.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Cue-for-cue, instead of picking some cues and saying that makes the score a winner, I'd probably tie TFF and FC (yes, discounting cues by Joel, since we're clearly taking Jerry).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

I'm in the minority... I feel it's clearly FIRST CONTACT. It has the prettiest, most memorable MT and extended cues like "The Dish" are fantastic both in the movie and on the album.

I'd put STAR TREK 5 after that. And then INSURRECTION and NEMESIS. NEMESIS is my least favorite of the Goldsmith scores because the whole thing is sort of dark and actiony and lacks the optimism and adventure of the other scores/films.

Although, I just listened to "That Song / An Honor" the other day, and the theme he introduces in the back half of that track is awesome. I sort of wish he had played with that more throughout the movie. As it stands, it's a dark depressing movie about death, the ugliness of what environment does to human nature, and then people getting old and moving on! All in all, a horrible way for the TNG crew to go out.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 12:51 PM   
 By:   kaseykockroach   (Member)

I don't neccesarily listen to a cue and decide "Oh, this score is terrible!" and never visit it again, so much as I just play random Goldsmith cues I've never heard now and then until something catches my ear.
But I loved Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend before I ever 'discovered' Rambo, so I'm just an odd chap.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   Filmmaker   (Member)

You can legitimately just go with their order of release to best answer this question:

1) THE FINAL FRONTIER
2) FIRST CONTACT
3) INSURRECTION
4) NEMESIS (the first TREK score to be a bit of a chore to sit through and/or subsequently recall)

And I agree with what was said above about the fact that the Klingon theme was only done true justice in THE MOTION PICTURE.

 
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