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 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Surprised there is no thread dedicated to this Robert Altman film, described by the director as an "anti-western."

The film's score consists entirely of three (brilliant) Leonard Cohen songs, all from his debut LP. They appear in both their album versions and in instrumental arrangements, and are used very effectively.

Considering some of the film's offbeat dialog and characters, its use of pop songs, and its setting during a snowy winter, I can't help but wonder if the film influenced Quentin Tarantino and The Hateful Eight in particular.

Any fans of this film?

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   Ny   (Member)

i'm a fan.
enough down to earth, realistic westerns have come to pass since then that the anti-western tag only really applies in the context of john ford, howard hawks etc etc. and if i had to list favorite westerns this would land quite high.
i wouldn't draw a parallel with tarantino myself, he favors bravado and legend and swagger, whereas altman is all about failure and weakness, he made a career out of undermining hollywood tropes, and tarantino went the other way, and revived even more unrealistic b-movie tropes for mainstream audiences.
the cinematography always came across quite muddy in the versions i've seen, it was probably part of the plan, but i'm curious to see a new hd transfer.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

the cinematography always came across quite muddy in the versions i've seen, it was probably part of the plan, but i'm curious to see a new hd transfer.

the dialogue is very muddy in the versions I've seen also.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Im sure there is one - chickenhearted did a quiz thread on it not too long ago.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

the cinematography always came across quite muddy in the versions i've seen, it was probably part of the plan, but i'm curious to see a new hd transfer.
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the dialogue is very muddy in the versions I've seen also.



Cinematographer Vilmos Zsigmond shot McCABE & MRS. MILLER near Vancouver, Canada. For a distinctive look, Robert Altman and Zsigmond chose to "flash" (pre-fog) the film negative before its eventual exposure, as well as use a number of filters on the cameras, rather than manipulate the film in post-production. In this way the studio could not force Altman to change the film's look to something less distinctive. Upon its initial release, the first two major prints of the film for critical screenings on the East and West Coasts were rushed from a Canadian laboratory with poor sound quality and color fidelity, resulting in a hostile critical reception. Upon viewing corrected prints later, two critics changed their negative reviews.





 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

Criterion are releasing a Blu-ray on October 11th, & I think you can assume it's going to look the best it can look. I've never seen it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 6:06 PM   
 By:   Ralph   (Member)

Once you size up Beatty’s McCabe as a small business dunce and Christie’s druggie Mrs. Miller as a supporting bit (with hair Babs would later borrow for “A Star is Born”), all that’s left to wonder is if Altman is going to keep the wintry setting until the closing act. He does, thanks to Mother Nature’s unrelenting storms. “McCabe & Mrs. Miller” is a frost bite of a movie and the colder and snowier it gets, the more your dissatisfaction loses its circulation. You sit there blank of response, hardly able to plow yourself out of the deep blanket of dreariness — presumably an Altman warning about the murderous dealings of conglomerates. What keeps you from freezing to eternity is watching Beatty’s wussie trots to stay a few steps ahead of a trio of liquidators. How can viewers be expected to hold an interest in him when even the boozed, whoring townspeople won’t notice his absence until the first thaw?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2016 - 3:08 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Fine film indeed.

I talked to Zsigmond just a couple of years ago about the pre-fogging style he employed in this film (and others). You can read the interview here (scroll past the Norwegian intro to get to the English interview):

http://montages.no/2013/09/vi-har-mott-den-legendariske-filmfotografen-vilmos-zsigmond/

RIP.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2016 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   Ny   (Member)

aha, i can't imagine down-resing it to vhs or dvd did the style any favors, looking forward to the criterion.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2016 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Santa brought me the blu ray. It looks stunning.

 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2016 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Can you see the smokey card room much clearer now?! Do you watch Beatty play cards and want to cough?

Dunno about bonafide snow western, should be a category "Dingy, Smokey westerns" wink

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2016 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Can you see the smokey card room much clearer now?! Do you watch Beatty play cards and want to cough?

Dunno about bonafide snow western, should be a category "Dingy, Smokey westerns" wink


It looks much better than any version I have ever seen.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2016 - 10:22 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

Fine film indeed.

I talked to Zsigmond just a couple of years ago about the pre-fogging style he employed in this film (and others). You can read the interview here (scroll past the Norwegian intro to get to the English interview):

http://montages.no/2013/09/vi-har-mott-den-legendariske-filmfotografen-vilmos-zsigmond/

RIP.




Thanks for the interview. I like the Obsession anecdote.

 
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