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 Posted:   Jul 23, 2016 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I love postwar instrumental thematic suite albums, but I just can't get into this 1956 LP, commissioned by Sinatra and recorded for Capitol in 1956. Each track is inspired by a different color and composed by a different composer, many of whom are film composers. A few cats get to compose for two colors.

The best tracks are "Purple" by Billy May, which has a nervous jazz sound, and "Red" by Andre Previn, which has some drama and dissonance. "Grey" by Alec Wilder is pretty good, as is "Silver" by Elmer Bernstein.

Any fans of this record? What am I missing?

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2016 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I don't play it often. Rarely, in fact.
But for those times that I feel in the mood for it, I enjoy it very much.
I guess I sort of divorce it from what you'd think of as a Sinatra album and I take it as more of a collection of movie themes from non-existent movies.
If I always pictured Frank conducting while listening to it, it could very well make a difference in my enjoyment of it--maybe just as you describe.

Victor Young's "Winter" sounds like "Sleigh Bells", if "Sleigh Bells" had been written by Franz Waxman and not Delius... I love Delius.
smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2016 - 3:28 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

Well......I loved it and used to listen to it a lot in the 60s.


What you are probably missing is the fact that several or more of these themes are re-arranged themes from the composers' film scores. I used to have a list of these but can't find it anymore.

Perhaps others can supply the colors and the film tunes in question.


(I've often wondered if, after commissioning these pieces, Sinatra ever realized that some of the composers had re-cycled some of their previous music.....)

(.....or even if Sinatra, at all, had done the commissioning and not a record exec for the label.)

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2016 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Well......I loved it and used to listen to it a lot in the 60s.
What you are probably missing is the fact that several or more of these themes are re-arranged themes from the composers' film scores. I used to have a list of these but can't find it anymore.
Perhaps others can supply the colors and the film tunes in question.



Well, that would certainly explain my perception of it!
I wouldn't mind seeing that list.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2016 - 6:52 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)


I found this LP in an old record store back in 1971. Always enjoyed it. Yes, many of the themes are from film scores. I doubt Sinatra conducted it.

Previn's music is his main title from BAD DAY AT BLACK ROCK!

Can't remember the others. Manderley, please find the list! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2016 - 9:01 PM   
 By:   lacoq   (Member)

I don't play it often. Rarely, in fact.
But for those times that I feel in the mood for it, I enjoy it very much.
I guess I sort of divorce it from what you'd think of as a Sinatra album and I take it as more of a collection of movie themes from non-existent movies.
If I always pictured Frank conducting while listening to it, it could very well make a difference in my enjoyment of it--maybe just as you describe.

Victor Young's "Winter" sounds like "Sleigh Bells", if "Sleigh Bells" had been written by Franz Waxman and not Delius... I love Delius.
smile



Victor Young's "White" is taken from the cue "Rome" from Three Coins In The Fountain.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2016 - 9:30 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Personally, this is just one of scads of CD's in my overstuffed library that I'm glad I got, enjoyed listening to well enough, but don't happen to have replayed much over the years. That said, one album that I have enjoyed many times is the one of Sinatra conducting the compositions of Alec Wilder. Lovely, and evocative, IMHO.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2016 - 9:51 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

...If I always pictured Frank conducting while listening to it, it could very well make a difference in my enjoyment of it--maybe just as you describe...

Not familiar with this album but certainly am with the Jackie Gleason compilations. They say Jackie really had nothing to do with the finished products other than have his name attached and I've always imagined him conducting anyway per exactly what you've stated.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2016 - 7:59 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

...one album that I have enjoyed many times is the one of Sinatra conducting the compositions of Alec Wilder. Lovely, and evocative, IMHO.

That is a great album.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2016 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

I've always liked this LP/CD. I love the Victor Young cuts. By the way, "White" was also available on an old Disneyland LP, WINTER (WDL-3026), conducted by Tutti Camarata at a slightly brisker pace which I think works better for this piece. Incidentally, on that LP the piece is titled "The Silver Tree." The other Young track, "Black," features Young writing in a time signature that is rather unusual for him.

I also like Gordon Jenkins' heart-on-the-sleeve "Green" which sounds like a Frank Skinner composition right out of one of Ross Hunter's 1950s melodramas.

Alec Wilder's "Gray" also sounds like film music, perhaps some "lonely troubled youth in the big city" kind of thing.

Nelson Riddle's "Gold" is a suspense-filled piece that starts out rather subdued with a soft snare-drum ostinato and slowly builds to hopeful climax (think of Ravel's "Bolero"). It sounds like a cue that easily could have been used in a war film.

All in all, the collection of themes is a mixed bag that doesn't gel too well a concept album, yet it offers many great individual cuts.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2016 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

I've always liked this LP/CD. I love the Victor Young cuts. By the way, "White" was also available on an old Disneyland LP, WINTER (WDL-3026), conducted by Tutti Camarata at a slightly brisker pace which I think works better for this piece.

Victor Young's "White" is at least partially based (just compare the sleigh bells) on the "Rome" track from THREE COINS IN THE FOUNTAIN.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2016 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   JSDouglas   (Member)

The Bernstein "Silver" composition contains a waltz theme he would later utilize in FROM THE TERRACE.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2016 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

I've always liked this LP/CD. I love the Victor Young cuts. By the way, "White" was also available on an old Disneyland LP, WINTER (WDL-3026), conducted by Tutti Camarata at a slightly brisker pace which I think works better for this piece.

Victor Young's "White" is at least partially based (just compare the sleigh bells) on the "Rome" track from THREE COINS IN THE FOUNTAIN.




This has been mentioned before. Didn't Victor Young's "Rome" theme from THREE COINS IN THE FOUNTAIN first appear in the 1950 film by Young for SEPTEMBER AFFAIR?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2016 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Victor Young's "White" is at least partially based (just compare the sleigh bells) on the "Rome" track from THREE COINS IN THE FOUNTAIN.

This has been mentioned before. Didn't Victor Young's "Rome" theme from THREE COINS IN THE FOUNTAIN first appear in the 1950 film by Young for SEPTEMBER AFFAIR?


Sorry, I had completely overlooked it that it had already been mentioned a few posts above.

The love theme from SEPTEMBER AFFAIR has been reused by Young for the "Barcarolle" track (the episode in Venice) in THREE COINS IN THE FOUNTAIN which is track 7 on the Varese CD, but I don't think that the "Rome" track which has different music did first appear there. At least it's not on the Kritzerland CD of SEPTEMBER AFFAIR.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2016 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   Bob Bryden   (Member)

I just downloaded this from iTunes. It's gorgeous.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2016 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

I've often wondered if... Sinatra, at all, had done the commissioning and not a record exec for the label.

Sinatra was very involved in the process and had been conducting for several years prior to this project. Among many classically trained musicians, he was actually known to be quite a fine conductor. I suspect he chose some of the pieces and other pieces were suggested, but the final decisions were undoubtedly Sinatra's.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2016 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

I love the entire album. My favorite is definitely "Silver" by Elmer Bernstein, but "Green" by Gordon Jenkins is a close second - an absolutely gorgeous love theme straight out of a 1950s Hollywood melodrama.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2016 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

I too love this album. Probably my favorite cut is the Previn because he elaborates on his main title from Bad Day at Black Rock.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2016 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Thanks all for the replies. You have inspired me to give this a few more spins this week.

 
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