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  Non-Film Score Discussion: Why Do People Abandon "Obsolete" Formats?
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 Posted:   Jul 20, 2016 - 5:32 PM   
 By:   Metryq   (Member)

"I'll have to buy the White album again."
—K, MEN IN BLACK

As a media technician I am especially aware of the limited lifespan of equipment. Although there are sometimes workarounds for parts that wear out, the playable media also wears out—sometimes before the player. For that reason, I often dupe something I know I really want to keep onto a newer medium. That's why I still have the pop music tracks released on the original TERMINATOR soundtrack, but which do not seem to be available anymore. I know Fiedel didn't create those tracks, but they're a time capsule—so painfully '80s it makes me nostalgic.

Other times the new technology is just so good I can't go back to the older media. Laserdiscs were hit-and-miss. Some transfers were excellent, most only so-so. Some LD titles that didn't make it to DVD got a transfer and now reside on my media center as computer files.

Nothing lasts forever, not even us.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2016 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

One of the labels said in the last three years digital sales were low. Plus digital sounds tracks have a number of draw backs to CD's, including but not limited to:

  • Not available in every country.

  • Nothing to sign, for those who like to get booklets signed.

  • If the hard drive fails or is badly infected, you can loose must if not all of it, as opposed to one CD's going bad or being lost some other way.

  • Speed and bandwidth issues.

  • And who shady question of what kind of money the artists and performers make from downloads.

    I hadn't thought about the issue of not having a booklet to sign. Yes, somehow asking a composer to sign your computer screen or flash drive just doesn't seem very practical.

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     Posted:   Jul 20, 2016 - 8:23 PM   
     By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

    One of the labels said in the last three years digital sales were low. Plus digital sounds tracks have a number of draw backs to CD's, including but not limited to:

  • Not available in every country.

  • Nothing to sign, for those who like to get booklets signed.

  • If the hard drive fails or is badly infected, you can loose must if not all of it, as opposed to one CD's going bad or being lost some other way.

  • Speed and bandwidth issues.

  • And who shady question of what kind of money the artists and performers make from downloads.

    All true but I back up everything, don't care about signatures, speed is usually not an issue, and I'll let someone else worry about who gets paid as long as I buy it legally. The limited regions part sucks for sure, which is why having options for downloads is sometimes a better option. I know when it comes to releases that have an option these days I would rather buy the download. Quartet's new Velazquez score I'm going to wait to find a lossless download on 7digital rather than buying the CD right away. Saves space I would have spent on CDs.

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     Posted:   Jul 21, 2016 - 1:57 PM   
     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

    Streaming in quite inferior to dvd.
    It is rare that you do not get some jerkiness during the running time.
    Fast moving action scenes suffer from digital blur
    I have never once streamed Apple without the program stopping dead opr going though a prolonged "buffering' ; which is why I never use it anymore
    bruce

    ps two recent vhs acquisitions:
    SF 49ers Highlights from their Champoinship Season 88-89 (on dvd? doubt it)
    THE INCREDIBLE JOURNEY - 1963 very hard to find on dvd

    		 
     Posted:   Jul 21, 2016 - 5:11 PM   
     By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

    I still collect and run 16mm film prints. I've been able to get some great films that are not available on other formats. And there is something about running a real (reel) film projector that I find more satisfying than video projection. As I type this I am running a nice, clean scope print with good color of John Frankenheimer's The Horsemen on a big screen and it looks great. Others may scoff at my clinging to this obsolete format, but running a nice print in a good auditorium makes me happy, and isn't that what we all strive for in life?

    I'm with you!
    		 
     
     Posted:   Jul 21, 2016 - 8:08 PM   
     By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

    Looks familiar, Ray, though I think yours are more organized than mine.

    		 
     Posted:   Jul 21, 2016 - 9:41 PM   
     By:   RoryR   (Member)

    Streaming in quite inferior to dvd.
    It is rare that you do not get some jerkiness during the running time.
    Fast moving action scenes suffer from digital blur
    I have never once streamed Apple without the program stopping dead opr going though a prolonged "buffering' ; which is why I never use it anymore
    bruce

    I have Roku and a Sont smart tv and I get streaming in HD. Works and looks great.

    		 
     Posted:   Jul 22, 2016 - 2:33 PM   
     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

    Looks familiar, Ray, though I think yours are more organized than mine.

    I feel like im', back in film school!

    		 
     Posted:   Jul 22, 2016 - 5:34 PM   
     By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

    I don't know what you are talking about streaming having issues. Mine is usually super smooth and better quality than DVD, though it helps that I have quite fast speeds at home now. Our internet got a serious upgrade recently.

    		 
     Posted:   Jul 22, 2016 - 9:19 PM   
     By:   Solium   (Member)

    Generally speaking streaming works fine with my current setup. (I use Apple TV, high speed connection, and a wireless router)

    But glitches are not uncommon. Sometimes I have to reboot the modem, or the stream quality might drop out for a few seconds. Streaming varies depending on hardware, software, modem, router, internet speeds, and service.

    There's something to be said for the days of VHS/DVD, where the damn thing just worked as expected every time.

    		 
     Posted:   Jul 23, 2016 - 4:55 AM   
     By:   Metryq   (Member)

    There's something to be said for the days of VHS/DVD, where the damn thing just worked as expected every time.

    Unless you're the one who gets called whenever it doesn't work as expected every time. Conditionally, I agree though. I remember a lot of commercial DVDs that would suddenly "stop working" after a few months. There'd be nothing visibly wrong with the disc, but it would fail to mount on any device (player, computer, etc.). And I noticed patterns by publisher, certain titles. So the problem must have been cheap pressings. This happened in the early days of the format. Overall DVD has been very reliable.

    VHS (and ßetamax) periodically had the problems almost any tape-based format has—tracking errors of all kinds, wrinkles and munches, clogged heads, etc. The people who made me cringe are those who'd record an entire week of TV on one tape at SuperExtendedHyperLongPlay. As a distribution format, VHS (and ßetamax) was pretty decent, but not so hot as a production format.

    CED was obsolete the day it hit the market. Flipbooks were better.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitance_Electronic_Disc

    		 
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