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 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 7:27 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

Nowadays looks like LP vinyl is all over again. I have seen some scores I would like to own in LP (even though I already own them in CD). My question is an easy one but very complicate to resolve. Is it worthy at the moment to invest on lps?

I came across LPs of "Star Wars", "Psycho", "Whiplash", "The Hateful Eight"... how do they sound? So much different of digital?

Thanks for all the advice

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Most use digital sources, so you get the worst of both media. Seek titles that use analog masters.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 9:45 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

Yes, now that we've been spoiled by music rising up out of the wonderful dead silence of digital, we need to get back to the glorious days of pops, clicks, scratches, surface noise, and shrill, screechy highs resulting from vinyl "grooved-out" by a bad stylus. I miss the great graphics of albums, but sure as hell don't miss analogue sound all that much.

I say this as I am about to make a car trip this weekend to visit friends in McKeesport, Pennsylvania with a carload of 500+ albums I'm going to dump at either Jerry's Records or Eide's comics in nearby Pittsburgh. I've kept a few nostalgic keepsakes--my gatefold copy of PLANET OF THE APES, the hexagonal pressing of ANDROMEDA STRAIN, among others. There are some I just never got around to converting to CD but I just need to clear the clutter at this point in my life. (And, this doesn't take into account a few score of my remaining laserdiscs.)

At some point I may even deal with the prospect of sucking a few thousand CD's into several external hard drives for listening on Ipod and computer.

One ponders such thoughts as one approaches one's 69th birthday.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Mark, I've gotten hold of some rather spectacular LPs in 180 gram Vinyl range, the rare and expensive DCC RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK was worth the chase. The newly remastered STAR WARS ULTIMATE COLLECTION which basically houses the original trilogy program (sans the expanded sets) and the OST versions of the prequel scores. These are I believe my canon must have collections along with a few others which I collected post my cd collection. Yet, I am new to this retro phase of Vinyl collection as a first time investor. (My early salad days of soundtrack were tape dubs of the Lps and hence I have some rather nostalgic recollections of analogue sound-come to think of it cds didn't really give me much of the oomph that analogue gave) Since a lot of major scores are being reissued by the labels- its a good time to head for only basic essential ones.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

I don't have the space, nor patience for vinyl. Once you get a milk crate full they're heavy - you've got to flip them or change them roughly every 20 minutes.

CDs are tiny and a massive collection takes up very little space - maybe a portion of a wall if you've got Ikea BENNO shelves.

And the CD will sound the exact same every time you play it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

Yeah, & I'm not going back to VHS either big grin

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   Mr Hand   (Member)

Juanki, here's a balanced article with interviews of audio engineers you may find of interest : http://www.laweekly.com/music/why-cds-may-actually-sound-better-than-vinyl-5352162

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   John-73   (Member)

The current vinyl 'revival' is unfortunately beset with quality control issues, and anonymous production details (i.e. what was the vinyl master cut from?).

The reason audiophiles in the main preferred LPs was due to it being a full analogue production process, from master-tape to mixing to LP cutting. LPs pressed way back when also had the advantage of being cut when the mastertapes were new/fresh. 95% of current vinyl is nothing more than a CD or DAT master cut onto an LP lacquer master, and then copies pressed from that. You'd be better off buying the equivlent CD without the additional degradations. You certainly won't get the famed 'vinyl warmth'; you'll get a digital sound with analogue crackle!

The trouble is, the rise of the bearded hipster stereotype collector & joe public believe pops, clicks and crackle is part of the 'scene'. And they want that. Whereas audiophiles are used to high quality vinyl playback with minimal noise. Not somethimg one can achieve with a cheap plastic fantastic usb deck. Many are just buying the vinyl for the artwork - some don't even play it!

So, make sure you KNOW the mastering, what you're getting, before buying. Don't encourage this practise by buying blind. Full analogue pressings are the ones to go for, or vinyl cut from higher res. digital masters as a good second best. Email the labels to ask exactly what you're getting.

Otherwise get the CD wink

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Within a decade the masses will be dumping their new found LP collections into the landfills.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

I know of a few records are stockpiling used CDs for the inevitable CD resurgence. Glad I'm ahead of that game.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Most use digital sources, so you get the worst of both media. Seek titles that use analog masters.


^^This.^^
Truth.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Upgrade to a Model T.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

Most use digital sources, so you get the worst of both media. Seek titles that use analog masters.


^^This.^^
Truth.


Whatever-
Nothing is recorded in Analog these days. Some rock acts with all the time in the world, maybe. If you can still find analog tape.
In the high pressure world TV and movie production, pro-tools hard drive recording is the standard, though certainly at 96k or 192k sampling.

I like old tech as much as the next guy, but when the new tech is cheaper and easier and better, I move on.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Can't wait to download my soundtrack library to my future Cyberbrain. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 8:56 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


Nothing is recorded in Analog these days.


There a current pressings of plenty of LPs from the analog days. And the better releases use an all-analog chain in the process.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2016 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

The part of the above referenced article that hit me was the bit about the last track on a side sounding worse than the first. I always loved the "Bernstein-ish" side one closer track of Hamlisch's THE SWIMMER, "Hurdles." But, after 2-3 copies, I never heard a good, clean, transparent-sounding copy until FSM put out their CD of it.

The closest argument for analogue LPs vs. CDs might have been the superbly press RCA Gerhardt series or perhaps the London Phase 4 Herrmann releases.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2016 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

Another problem with vinyls is that you need quite an expensive turntable and stylus to get an audiophile sound, which sometimes mean hours of playing with the adjustments of your turntable. Otherwise, be prepared for mild distortion, mild speed fluctuations, etc. This can be frustrating. Furthermore, while no CDs I have bought in the past 20 years had any defect that needed a return, my experience from vinyls is that even if you buy it new, you can find out there are skips or noises that won't go away.

Otherwise I don't really mind, the sound quality from a mint vinyl from a properly adjusted turntable is certainly as good as a CD, but it takes a lot more work, money, and luck it seems.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2016 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)


Nothing is recorded in Analog these days.


There a current pressings of plenty of LPs from the analog days. And the better releases use an all-analog chain in the process.


Yes, I suppose stuff recorded prior to, let's generously say, 1995.

Even ST-TMP and The Black Hole were digitally tracked (though possibly mixed in analog), and that was in 1979. BTTF II & III are late 80s and tracked at 24b/48k.

Digital took hold a lot earlier and faster then most people realize.

 
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