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 Posted:   Jun 18, 2016 - 10:27 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

....that composers produced some of their best works? I mean, between just Goldsmith and Williams there wasn't a stinker between them! I think ALL the working composers at the time were just knocking it out of the ballpark! I don't even need to list any titles... but please feel free to list them if you want, and your thoughts as to why these two particular years were amazing years for film scores!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2016 - 11:06 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

I've often wondered this exact same thing myself. Don't forget Mike Batt's CARAVANS, Lalo Schifrin's THE MANITOU, John Scott's THE PEOPLE THAT TIME FORGOT, Delerue's JULIA, Howard Blake's THE DUELISTS... That's just off the top of my head...

Those days sure do feel like a loooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg time ago...

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2016 - 11:31 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

The reason I'm asking this is because I was listening to Capricorn One today and it just blew my mind (For the millionth time!) at just how INCREDIBLE this score is! This isn't some "classical" piece of music... this is FILM MUSIC, and it can stand shoulder-to-shoulder(Im my opinion, anyway) to any concert work I can think of! I'm going to get banned for saying that, I'm sure! big grinbig grinbig grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 1:06 AM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

There's also Conti's "F.I.S.T.," Goblin's "Suspiria," Morricone's "Days of Heaven," "Providence" and "Fedora" by Rozsa, and Bernstein's "Animal House," which to a great extent changed comedy scoring forever. Those were truly great years for film music...

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 2:07 AM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

I think there was an alchemy of Williams ("Jaws") and Goldsmith ("The Omen") being the two most recent Best Score Oscar winners - their style was thus especially hot - and the interest some of the new and prestige Hollywood directors (Lucas, Spielberg, Hyams, Nicholas Meyer, De Palma etc.) had in reviving lusher film music sounds.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 2:28 AM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

There's also Conti's "F.I.S.T.,"...

How on earth did I forget this *and* SLOW DANCING IN THE BIG CITY, two of Conti's most magnificent works (and a KILLER two-fer CD from Varese)!?!?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 2:36 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Because I was born in 1977, and that inspired film composers worldwide.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 2:38 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Yes, the film scores by Williams and Goldsmith in those years are indeed magnificent and don't forget that little score by a young Mr Poledouris called BIG WEDNESDAY which is quite astounding too.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 3:33 AM   
 By:   Just another Goldsmith fan...   (Member)

...Wow yes!! Don't forget those War Pics - Addison's A BRIDGE TOO FAR, Goodwin's FORCE 10 FROM NAVARONE and Budd's THE WILD GEESE. Oh! And a very different type of film/score; hot on the heels of ASSAULT ON PRECINCT 13, John Carpenter's HALLOWEEN.

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 3:38 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

May I postulate what might be a part of a theory?

It was the end of one cinematic area on a high point. With cerebral thrillers and streetlevel-driven drama, supported by introvert scores. Then came high profile blockbusters with great symphonic scores out of nowhere! The music was romantic and expressive.

It resulted in creative collusion. Perhaps the confusion and contrast drove film scoring (and film making) into this exciting direction.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 5:03 AM   
 By:   benny77   (Member)

I was born too that year.Same years as star wars

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 5:42 AM   
 By:   Ny   (Member)

May I postulate what might be a part of a theory?

It was the end of one cinematic area on a high point. With cerebral thrillers and streetlevel-driven drama, supported by introvert scores. Then came high profile blockbusters with great symphonic scores out of nowhere! The music was romantic and expressive.

It resulted in creative collusion. Perhaps the confusion and contrast drove film scoring (and film making) into this exciting direction.



yeah the adventure spectacle era was beginning, the hollywood arthouse era was ending (unfortunately for screenwriters and actors, but fortunately for score fans i guess). I don't know enough to be able to trace the influence of the previous decade on the new music exactly, but composers clearly made the most of the new direction for as long as they could.
The profits from the adventure spectacle have been so consistent it hasn't allowed for any new era to emerge, and the bad news has caught up with composers too, as the needs of the audience have seemingly become simpler?
anyway in 78 we were well cultured, and we had Raiders, Conan, Alien etc etc all to look forward to.

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 6:23 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Tangerine Dream's Sorcerer and Giorgio Moroder's Midnight Express and John Carpenter's Halloween showed that something NEW was starting in Hollywood. Thankfully...

Say no more.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 6:28 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Movies were not yet viewed purely from a marketing standpoint. Therefore composers were given a chance to compose what they felt was right for the film.

These days, it´s so marketing driven, the filmmakers can make suggestions - but mostly they are outnumbered by the marketing execs who only want to manufacture a product that will not alienate the customer. And since a certain type of score - you know which one - was succcessful once it has to be re-created again and again.

In other words, a film score most of the time is not a creative endeavour anymore, more an additional sound effect that has to be wallpapered in.

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 6:30 AM   
 By:   No Respectable Gentleman   (Member)

Why stop at '78?

1979 gets my vote as the best year in movie history and produced some immortal scores.

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 7:03 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Why stop at '78?

1979 gets my vote as the best year in movie history and produced some immortal scores.


Coincidentally, I watched a movie just yesterday on Blu-ray from Twilight Time where the two guys doing the movie's commentary, 1969's SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SHERIFF, were both of the opinion that 1969 was the "best year in movie history" and then kind of apologizing to the general contention that 1939 is regarded as the greatest year in movie history.

I'm of the opinion that the best year in movie history is.... subjective! That best year only exists in the mind, but who now has the best mind of all minds in any year?

The mind boggles!

(Humans are such silly animals)

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 7:35 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


It was the end of one cinematic area on a high point. With cerebral thrillers and streetlevel-driven drama, supported by introvert scores. Then came high profile blockbusters with great symphonic scores out of nowhere! The music was romantic and expressive.


This was an unfortunate turn from my perspective. Of the sccores that have been referenced here, the only one I have is Capricorn One, for which I paid a dollar.

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Because I was born in 1977, and that inspired film composers worldwide.

That's such a Millennial thing to say. wink

As for the sudden change in films during the 1970s, Nick Redman noted that very thing in the YAKUZA liner notes:

"It is widely believed among film historians that the decade of the 1970s was the last great hurrah of American film. Much has been written and spoken about why this is so, and yet, in truth, it is the only the first half of the '70s that is meaningful--roughly the period between 1969-1976. Afterward the tide inevitably turned toward younger subjects for younger audiences, and the innovative, adult-themed--some would say nihilistically inclined--pictures went the way of the Dodo bird."

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 7:47 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

in truth, it is the only the first half of the '70s that is meaningful--roughly the period between 1969-1976. Afterward the tide inevitably turned toward younger subjects for younger audiences, and the innovative, adult-themed--some would say nihilistically inclined--pictures went the way of the Dodo bird."

So there is at least one other person on the planet who agrees with me. Reassuring.

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 7:54 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

If you'd purchased FSM's superb release of The Yakuza you would have been reassured years ago.

OT: bump your Bill Evans thread!

 
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