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Jun 13, 2016 - 9:38 PM
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jenkwombat
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Solium, I'm pretty sure all cuts of TESB from around the world were the same, except for a slightly different selection of shot used for the interior of the Millennium Falcon at the end of the film, and the intercutting of shots of Luke and Vader on their different ships at the end of the film as the heroes attempt to escape uses "hard cuts" rather than quick "dissolves". These differences are between the 70mm version and the standard theater release, if memory serves. Other than that, and unlike "Star Wars", which had countless *sound* alterations, "Empire" was a "one size fits all" release --- until the Special Edition, that is. (Unless someone knows something about it that I don't.)
The deleted sequences of which you speak sound like they came from the "Deleted Scenes" section of the Blu-Ray release in the "Saga" package. (There was also a second Luke and Leia kiss during the Hoth Medical Bay scene in the TESB section, which was thankfully cut.)
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Jun 14, 2016 - 8:20 AM
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Col. Flagg
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Edit: I take it then there are no Canadians on this site, or Empire was never seen in Canada!
I lived in Montreal, where I saw the 70mm version. It was different, but only in a few spots, and subtly – as others point out above. Aside from content, the most glaring differences were shots, usually opticals or wipes, that hadn't been color corrected satisfactorily. The one I recall most glaringly was the shot of Han approaching the camera on Hoth with his sensor pack after dismounting the tauntaun. It was pink! The following summer, TESB was rereleased in 35mm Dolby Stereo. The same shot in 35mm now looked great.
70mm prints took a lot longer to manufacture than 35mm prints. So the 35's were more definitive, for sure.
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Jun 16, 2016 - 9:14 AM
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Joe E.
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@ Saul Pincus- Thxs for confirming the Canadian cut of the film.
It's not a Canadian cut; it's the difference between the 70mm and 35mm original release prints, as well as between the very first version of the ending and a slightly tweaked version started running shortly after the movie opened, and had completely replaced it on all prints within a few weeks.
IIRC, the differences between the 70mm and 35mm prints were extensively catalogued by none other than Mike Matessino, soundtrack producer extraordinaire, in a 1997 article in an issue of some obscure rag called Film Score Monthly.  I don't have the article in front of me, but they tended to be subtle differences, like different types of editorial transitions from one shot / scene to another (a hard cut or a dissolve in one version being replaced by a wipe in the other, for example). A few of them were differences in effects shots, such as the one jenkwombat noted above, where the AT-ST seen in the background of the shot of Luke in the snow during the battle of Hoth - the 35mm added an element of atmospheric haze to effectively make it look farther away, while the 70mm lacked this component of the composite, making it like a much tinier thing a short distance away from Luke. Other such differences included the presence or absence of the Millennium Falcon's dish antenna coming up into the frame as Luke falls away from the weather vane under Cloud City. Apparently the two versions also featured slightly different takes and/or edits of the Millennium Falcon interiors as her crew is fleeing Bespin, among other subtle differences.
The tweaked ending concerns the initial establishing effects shots of the Rebel fleet in the final scenes. As the movie was nearing release, George Lucas decided he wanted an additional shot to clarify the spatial relationship of the Millennium Falcon to Luke, Leia and the droids aboard the medical frigate; IIRC, ILM started working on it about a week before the movie's release, too late for it to be included in the prints for opening day. After they completed the shot and it was edited into the movie, they started making new prints of this new final reel and sending them out to theaters, but this was after the movie had already opened, and it also took a little while before they could get replacement reels out for every print in theaters.
There were therefore apparently four different versions of the movie playing at different points in the first four weeks or so of release - 70mm with original ending, 70mm with revised ending, 35mm with original ending, and 35mm with revised ending; they might even have all been in different theaters simultaneously at one point, though I'm honestly not sure of that. At any rate, I think all prints had gotten the revised ending within a month or so, so that by late June it was standard everywhere, though I think the differences between the 70mm and 35mm remained for as long as it was playing in both formats.
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