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 Posted:   Jun 9, 2016 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

The paper's distinguished music critic Mark Swed weighs in with a front page piece:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/la-et-cm-john-williams-afi-20160607-snap-story.html

 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2016 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

"Thanks to Gustavo Dudamel conducting the opening and closing credits in this latest 'Star Wars' movie, Williams’ music has never sounded better."

Huh?

Then the writer offers a complaint about Episode VII's sound mix? Did I read that right? This article isn't really about what the headline suggests it's about. Is it?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2016 - 5:54 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

As you may or may not know, traditionally it is not the writer of a newspaper story who creates its headline, it is the editor. He's the guy to blame if you don't think the headline is a good fit with the article.

That said, I think the writer did have some interesting points of view to express. If you think he got something FACTUALLY wrong, please let me know and I'll be happy to use the contact info provided by the Times for retracting and correcting mistakes.

 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2016 - 8:18 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

I just got sort of an out-of-focus impression of what the writer was trying to say. There did seem to be a vague complaint about the state of modern film music. However, his observations about how even Williams' new SW music is mistreated by the technicians seems to throw that argument off.

He seems to think the 1977 SW score was the way things ought to be, but the technical advances in motion picture sound since then make that era impossible to recapture.

--Also, does he have some kind of deal with Dudamel's publicist?

 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2016 - 8:39 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

It's a confusingly written piece. It seems to be leading somewhere, then goes somewhere else. Feels like a first draft.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2016 - 8:50 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Now, Now, remember he is writing for the uneducated masses (most of humanity) and not for us (the priesthood). On that note...STONE HIM

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2016 - 9:46 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

I'm with you guys, too, as a matter of fact. (Yes, even you, Howard.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2016 - 10:00 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

It is a confusing article. I wish he had said that it is about time AFI honored a film composer. He does give great praise to the Star Wars' scores and the score for Jaws. He honors those two scores and feels these scores make those movies great. Then he says if he doesn't like a movie like Schindler's List, he feels the problem was with the music. That puts a damper on his previous praise and seems disconcerting to me.

 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2016 - 10:13 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

"Thanks to Gustavo Dudamel conducting the opening and closing credits in this latest 'Star Wars' movie, Williams’ music has never sounded better."

Huh?

Then the writer offers a complaint about Episode VII's sound mix? Did I read that right? This article isn't really about what the headline suggests it's about. Is it?


To me it seemed to be about how important the music is to films and thus why he was surprised how poor the mix was on the DVD and Blu Ray. Though he doesn't have any problems with the soundtrack album sound.

 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2016 - 10:54 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)



from the AFI event -great pic!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2016 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Great indeed, Amer!

Thanks.

PNJ

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2016 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

The gist of the essay was that scores like Williams' classics got dialed up in the mix, even though some were tonally off, which the reviewer thought was the case with Schindler's List.

There seems to be an unspoken assessment that many of today's scores deserve to be submerged in the mix.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2016 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   DurianMan   (Member)

It seems that the writer had one or two valid points to make, but never really finished making them before moving to his next one. Williams deserved better.

I do agree that Schindler's List is undeserving of the unending torrent of praise lavished upon it, and that Williams' music was (a rarity for him) misjudged, being far too on the on the nose, saccharine and overwrought

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2016 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

An excellent assessment of Swed's piece, IMHO.

I also happen to agree with your thumbnail analysis of SCHINDLER'S. When I saw the film, I was expecting music I had heard in the trailer, (which turned out to have been excerpted from a concert work by Koljar). No such luck.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2016 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

SCHINDLER'S LIST is both one of the greatest films and greatest scores ever created. FACT! I have no problem whatsoever with the praise it's receiving. However, I think some of you might be overestimating its unilateral praise, as I often encounter critical reactions like yours (that it was 'overwrought' etc.). For me, it was anything but.

As for the article, I might skim it, but I've kinda grown weary of Williams articles from major outlets these days. They rarely offer anything new, and just regurgitate the same old stories that Williams nutjobs like me have heard a million times before. I'd much rather see stuff like the recent air force interview (posted elsewhere).

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Well, here's another one you can ignore, Thor, although it does attempt to offer something off the beaten (sound)track about Williams:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/la-et-cm-john-williams-underrated-20160614-snap-story.html

Meanwhile, also in today's Times Calendar, Readers' Feedback about the Mark Swed essay:

http://www.latimes.com/la-ca-0619-feedback-20160613-snap-story.html

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 20, 2016 - 1:30 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Well, here's another one you can ignore, Thor, although it does attempt to offer something off the beaten (sound)track about Williams:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/la-et-cm-john-williams-underrated-20160614-snap-story.html


Yeah, I saw that earlier. Again, nothing new for Williams nutjobs like myself, but I like the angle taken here (for readers at large). I do seem to like IMAGES a fair bit more than the writer, though -- I think it's masterpiece cinema!

 
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