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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2      Non-Film Score Discussion: Gorilla shot dead at Zoo     1 2    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 9:42 AM     By:   RoryR   (Member) Well, being the resident "ape man" I just had to start a thread about this, the gorilla that was shot dead at the Cincinnati Zoo this weekend. If you don't know what I'm talking about, Google it you lazy human! Anyway, I'd like to hear other thoughts among the fellow cinephiles here. Rationally, I can understand why it had to be done, but emotionally.... God damn them all to hell! It's people that need to be put in zoos to protect the animals from us!    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 9:54 AM     By:   Adam.   (Member) The lesser of two evils had to be chosen. Either kill the gorilla or risk the gorilla killing or seriously injuring the child. It had already picked up the child and tossed him. The child didn't get in there by accident. It took some time and effort. Where the hell were the parents who were supposed to be watching him? They have some responsibility here.    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 9:57 AM     By:   jenkwombat   (Member) The child didn't get in there by accident. It took some time and effort. Where the hell were the parents who were supposed to be watching him? They have some responsibility here. Exactly.    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 9:59 AM     By:   jenkwombat   (Member) DP    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 10:03 AM     By:   mastadge   (Member) Yes, the parents/guardian should be charged with child neglect or abuse, and also for actions leading to the death of a member of a critically endangered species.    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 10:32 AM     By:   joan hue   (Member) I know that the zoo didn't have a choice in the matter because the child could have died; on the other hand, I agree with the above posters about the neglectful parents whose actions lead to this horrid event. Charge them and make them pay.    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 11:27 AM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) Shoot the gorilla because an inferior ape was stupid enough to get into the enclosure. Makes perfect sense.    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 11:28 AM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) Why don't zoos keep tranquilizers on hand for situations like this one?    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 11:31 AM     By:   mastadge   (Member) Why don't zoos keep tranquilizers on hand for situations like this one? They do keep tranquilizers, but (1) if they hit the boy with a dose meant for a gorilla, it would probably kill the boy, and (2) tranquilizers don't act immediately, especially when an animal's already got its adrenaline flowing.    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 11:55 AM     By:   Last Child   (Member) Considering the size difference, I strongly doubt they'd hit the kid with the dart gun. How about distracting the gorilla with a flying drone?    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 11:57 AM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) Considering the size difference, I strongly doubt they'd hit the kid with the dart gun. How about distracting the gorilla with a flying drone? Or shoot it in the leg or something. Seems ridiculous that they are killing a gorilla for being a gorilla.    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 12:02 PM     By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member) Perhaps a strong taser would have worked. In any case, unless I saw some video of how the child came to be in the enclosure, I'm not ready to condemn the mother. Children can get into trouble very quickly. This eye-witness isn't willing to call the mother negligent: https://www.facebook.com/dee.rister/posts/934660816651599    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 12:07 PM     By:   Last Child   (Member) The gorilla had dragged the kid around for 10 minutes, so it must have seemed like a desperate situation. On the other hand, he did stop dragging him so maybe the gorilla became aware of the situation. In the BBC blurb about this, they mentioned a similar situation in 1986, but the kid was unconscious after falling in. One gorilla kept the other ones back (not that they were necessarily dangerous), and stroked the kid's back. When he woke up crying, they all ran off. Happy ending (except for the gorillas still in their little enclosure).    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 12:12 PM     By:   mastadge   (Member) Considering the size difference, I strongly doubt they'd hit the kid with the dart gun. Unless the gorilla is handling the kid. Or near the kid. Or something improbably happens and the dart deflects off the gorilla and hits the kid. As much uproar as there is now, there would be even more if they'd killed a child. Or shoot it in the leg or something. Making him mad while there's a kid in there seems like a bad idea. They probably don't have many sharpshooters on staff who specialize in gorilla anatomy, and most places you shoot a creature won't stop it immediately without killing it. Perhaps a strong taser would have worked. When the kid is in the enclosure, I'm not sure where they'd find or mock up a strong taser. But even a taser, one, the effective range is like 15-25 feet, and the gorilla may have been deeper in the enclosure than that, and two, again, if the taser rated for a human doesn't have the stopping power for a 400 pound gorilla, or if something else goes wrong, then you've just escalated the situation. I think it's horrible that they killed the gorilla, but in the world that rates human life above any other animal life they probably made the least bad of a number of horrible decisions.    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 12:24 PM     By:   Last Child   (Member) Considering the size difference, I strongly doubt they'd hit the kid with the dart gun. Unless the gorilla is handling the kid. Or near the kid. Or something improbably happens and the dart deflects off the gorilla and hits the kid. As much uproar as there is now, there would be even more if they'd killed a child. They DID shoot the gorilla with a bona fide LETHAL weapon, so I dont know why you're making all these devils advocate cases about the kid's safety from a dart gun. They didnt use a dart gun because they claimed they didnt have any tranquilizers on hand, or at least nothing that was guaranteed to knock out the gorilla instantly.    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 12:35 PM     By:   mastadge   (Member) They DID shoot the gorilla with a bona fide LETHAL weapon, so I dont know why you're making all these devils advocate cases. I'm making pragmatic cases. Darts don't fly as far or as true as bullets, and it takes several minutes for them to kick in. In an emergency when it's deemed necessary to stop something fast, a dart just doesn't cut it. (There are similar problems with tranquilizing animals for non-emergency reasons -- animals drown, for instance, because they get tranquilized, panic, run for the river, and then the tranq finally kicks in.) Again, this is an awful outcome. But I understand why the zoo made the decision it did. I'm making my case because I see a lot of fanciful notions about the effectiveness of guns and tranquilizer guns, and I'm trying to get across why the zoo's decision made sense given the tools that they had.    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 2:52 PM     By:   RoryR   (Member) Well, it's a huge bummer, but I can only hope that somehow that got some of the gorilla's sperm frozen fast. Gorillas are a renewable resource if enough stinking humans would just care more. On a lighter note, it would have been nice if those guys in the planes had debated the morality of what they were doing before they shot King Kong. Oh, the humanity!    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 3:29 PM     By:   Last Child   (Member) I'm making pragmatic cases. Darts don't fly as far or as true as bullets I would think modern dart guns are pretty accurate, and the dart or a metal needle point wouldnt bounce off so easily. But I wasnt saying what they should use, I was only addressing your reason for why they didnt use it: that they were afraid the dart would hit the kid. With the gorilla standing up, and the kid laying down, that seems unlikely. I think they simply went with the gun because it's effect would be immediate rather than a slower tranquilizer. Rory, it could have been worse. I'm sure someone in the Control (or Panic) Room suggested, "I say we nuke him from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 3:47 PM     By:   RoryR   (Member) I think the debate about the use of a dart gun is moot. It would take time for the gorilla to collapse and just getting hit would have freaked it out. Gorilla's are innocent and have no idea of their strength and he could have snapped the kid's neck in a second without knowing what he was doing. That's why they don't let the male gorillas get anywhere near the baby gorillas until they're of a certain size. In the wild, alpha gorillas are known to stomp baby gorillas to death if the ape thinks the kid is not his. It's not that the gorilla is bad, it's that that is just the nature of the thing. We humans really don't have the right to judge. Anyone else here have an opinion on whether we really need zoos anymore? As with animals at the circus, I think it's time for zoos to go extinct. It's something to really think about.    Posted:   May 30, 2016 - 5:32 PM     By:   Last Child   (Member) Well I'll be a monkey's uncle!     Non-Film Score Discussion: Gorilla shot dead at Zoo    < 1 2  > >>  Go to page:  1 2   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2

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