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 Posted:   May 10, 2016 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

(also Moisey or Moishe Vainberg, Moisey Samuilovich Vaynberg) 1919-1996.

I came across his name a few times when reading through some of the books in my Shostakovich library, particularly the book of letters from DDS to Isaak Glikman. Accordingly, I didn't hesitate when I saw in HMV a CD of Weinberg's symphony 12, "In Memorium Dmitri Shostakovich" on the budget Naxos label.

There aren't many overt references to DDS's music in this work, but I've heard several very subtle ones, and I've played the four movements over and over. I really like the sound that Weinberg's orchestrations make, which has enabled me to persist even though it's not as accessible as most of DDS's symphonies. Thanks to the miracle of youtube I've also heard a couple of other symphonies and his trumpet concerto and a similar work for the cello. The latter's first movement is eyebrow-raisingly beautiful.

He's in severe danger of ousting Boris Tishchenko as my second favourite Soviet-era Russian-based composer. Where Boris was a pupil, Moisey was a friend and neighbour of Shostakovich's in Moscow, who spoke highly of several of his compositions. Although several critics I've recently read are fairly disparaging of the music, I suspect there's much to discover that's worth repeated listens.

Any other fans out there in FSM NFSDland?

(I could have put this on the other side, given that he appears to have scored over 40 films in addition to 22 symphonies, 17 string quartets and many other works, but I'm not sure it'd have been appreciated...)

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2016 - 6:27 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

Hey Tall Guy,
I am also a fan of Weinberg (Vainberg), and I too am very fond of his Symphony No. 12; I also like his Symphony No. 4. I don't know that he is a great composer (as Shostakovich is), but he for me he is certainly a damn good one. Chandos has issued a number of his works. My favorite is Symphony No. 4, Rhapsody on Moldavian Themes, and Sinfonietta No. 2.

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2016 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Thanks, mgh - will look out for those. One of the works I heard last night was symphony 18, partly choral, and very powerful. I agree that he'll never surpass DDS, but what a great find!

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2016 - 8:12 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Keep on discoverin', TallGuy.

Maybe one day you'll become a fan of so many other composers that you'll stop chatting about Shostakovich!

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2016 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Don't hold your breath, ZS...

You can NEVER get enough chat about Shostakovich!

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2016 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I only have two of his works, the 4th symphony & his violin concerto (op.67), but I've loved them since the seventies. They were on a HMV/Melodiya LP. It was long deleted, but then about 15-20 years ago the Olympia label released a Vainberg series on CD. The symphony is fantastic, but the violin concerto is even better, & both are conducted in his usual do or die style by Krill Kondrashin. All deleted now I'm afraid, & the cheapest I can see on Amazon is £36 (& after that the price shoots right up). I see the violin concerto is on Naxos, well worth checking out.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Myaskovsky-Vainberg-Concertos-Mieczyslaw-Weinberg/dp/B0000DJEM3/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_img_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=W2R41CMD3AQRNK6HWBGE

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2016 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I only have two of his works, the 4th symphony & his violin concerto (op.67), but I've loved them since the seventies. They were on a HMV/Melodiya LP. It was long deleted, but then about 15-20 years ago the Olympia label released a Vainberg series on CD. The symphony is fantastic, but the violin concerto is even better, & both are conducted in his usual do or die style by Krill Kondrashin. All deleted now I'm afraid, & the cheapest I can see on Amazon is £36 (& after that the price shoots right up). I see the violin concerto is on Naxos, well worth checking out.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Myaskovsky-Vainberg-Concertos-Mieczyslaw-Weinberg/dp/B0000DJEM3/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_img_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=W2R41CMD3AQRNK6HWBGE



Kept all that to yourself all these years, fella!

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2016 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Thanks for both recommendations for the 4th symphony, heard via the miracle of youtube. Very lively, and on first hearing it's an attractive modernist work with one leg in the true classical era. Like it a lot.

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2016 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

I love Vainberg too, and I have to keep calling him Vainberg 'cause that's how I got to know him on the old Olympia discs.

A favorite recording that I don't think has been mentioned - Chamber symphonies 1,3,4



Here's the opening Allegro from 1 - very neoclassical in manner.


And here's an excerpt from the last movement of 2, which I didn't know until found it just now.

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2016 - 12:45 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

Ah, it looks like you can buy that fantastic performance of his first violin concerto without re-mortgaging your house if you look for Weinberg instead of Vainberg.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Weinberg-Concertos-Rozhdestvensky-Kondrashin-Orchestra/dp/B00YCAU3HY/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1463553310&sr=1-2&keywords=Weinberg

Thanks Tall Guy, I've become interested in other works of his, I'm going to buy a few of those Naxos recordings, starting with symphony 12.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2016 - 5:57 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I love Vainberg too, and I have to keep calling him Vainberg


Please your bessie!

wink

I'm glad I brought this up, and am excited about hearing more from this guy - whatever his name is!

I went through a similar patch with Boris Tishchenko, whose CDs are generally expensive (and poorly recorded by modern standards) with the exception of his boisterous 7th symphony on Naxos, which makes me smile everytime I think about it, never mind listen to it.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2016 - 5:17 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Salutations, mr Weinberg, thanks for posting. Welcome to the board.
And thanks for the squadrons in the Battle of Britain. We wont forget that.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2016 - 4:47 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Bill's flight of fantasy notwithstanding, I've picked up a few more of the Naxos discs and have to mention in particular Weinberg 8th symphony, Polish Flowers. The title initially made me wonder if it was going to be a syrupy tribute to his homeland in the nationalistic style of Dvorak or Smetana. I. Worried further when it became clear that all ten movements were settings of poems.

I shouldn't have worried - this is one of the most powerful pieces of choral music I've ever heard. Using soprano and tenor solos (with an alto thrown in for good measure) and massed choir, it's a searing picture of what the Poles went through under the occupation.

Highly recommended.

 
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