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 Posted:   May 2, 2016 - 4:54 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Hello!

I'm a big fan of Oliver Nelson, and I just found out that his "Lila's Theme" from the album Half Nelson is actually Jerry Goldsmith's theme from THE STRIPPER.

I just love Oliver Nelson's arrangements. He's so recognisable even when covering other composers' pieces, and here he's doing what I think is one of JG's greatest (or certainly most underrated) achievements, although still admittedly under the wing of Alex North.

Still, you can't get much better than that - Oliver Nelson doing a great North-inspired Goldsmith track!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmrjfUY_QNs

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2016 - 5:02 AM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

George Shearing did Lila's Theme too -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ6-UUj5Hpg

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2016 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Interesting version there, James. Do you know when he did that? Sounds to me like he's fitting it into a Peter Gunn mold.

My personal taste favours the Nelson over the Shearing by a million miles by the way.

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2016 - 5:55 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

By the way, what threw me at first with the Nelson arrangement is that it's credited on the LP to a film called WOMAN OF SUMMER, but it's deffo THE STRIPPER, isn't it? I suppose WOMAN OF SUMMER is the AKA?

Anyway, Nelson and Goldsmith. Greeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaat!

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2016 - 5:58 AM   
 By:   Simon Morris   (Member)

I agree about Oliver Nelson having his own very recognisable style.

Years ago I bought the 6-CD box set The Argo, Verve, And Impulse Big Band Studio Sessions which even then was a bit expensive, but I was shocked to see how much this set (presumably out of print) now goes for on Amazon...eek

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2016 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

Interesting version there, James. Do you know when he did that? Sounds to me like he's fitting it into a Peter Gunn mold.

My personal taste favours the Nelson over the Shearing by a million miles by the way.




From memory, Graham, I had the UK issue of this on a 45 and I'm pretty sure it was dated 1963. "Lila's Theme" from WOMAN OF SUMMER, that being the title of the film, changed for it's release in the UK.

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2016 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Thanks for the info, James. I didn't know about the title change for the UK.

Oliver Nelson appears to have recorded the Goldsmith theme on February 26, 1963. Seeing as the film wasn't released until June '63 (according to "the computer"), it must have been just about contemporary with Goldsmith's scoring assignment, and even then it seems really early. Anyone got the recording dates at hand for THE STRIPPER?

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2016 - 6:08 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Is November '62 about right for the recording sessions of the original Goldsmith score? If that's the case, then Oliver Nelson's February '63 arrangement means that he recorded it about... let me think... two months after Goldsmith wrote it? Those are the maths, folks. I suppose the film sat on the shelf for a while before its June '63 release. I'm pretty good today.

With the arrangements by Shearing and Nelson coming along so early, was that intentionally to create an audience for the film? I don't think the Ollie Nelson appeared as a 45, did it? And that one wouldn't get my grandmother into the cinema. Were there also perhaps vocal versions released?

Oliver Nelson - brilliant. Jerry Goldsmith - brilliant. THE STRIPPER - brillliant.

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2016 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

I agree about Oliver Nelson having his own very recognisable style.

Years ago I bought the 6-CD box set The Argo, Verve, And Impulse Big Band Studio Sessions which even then was a bit expensive, but I was shocked to see how much this set (presumably out of print) now goes for on Amazon...eek


I have this too. Its a limnited edition, what do you expect?

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2016 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   Simon Morris   (Member)


I have this too. Its a limnited edition, what do you expect?



Thanks for reminding me - I bought it several years ago now; I'd completely forgotten that.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2016 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

James! Ain't heard from you in a coon's age. How ya doing?

That's interesting about WOMAN OF SUMMER being the UK title, because according to one source (IMDB, not infallible), WOMAN OF SUMMER was the working title for the film right here in USA, but it was changed by the time of its release as THE STRIPPER -- clearly hoped to be a more commercial moniker than WOMAN OF SUMMER (or William Inge's original play title, A LOSS OF ROSES).

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2016 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

James! Ain't heard from you in a coon's age. How ya doing?

That's interesting about WOMAN OF SUMMER being the UK title, because according to one source (IMDB, not infallible), WOMAN OF SUMMER was the working title for the film right here in USA, but it was changed by the time of its release as THE STRIPPER -- clearly hoped to be a more commercial moniker than WOMAN OF SUMMER (or William Inge's original play title, A LOSS OF ROSES).


Preston, old chap, I'm still hanging in there, and notice that you are too! Well, as a subscriber to the old (and excellent, and now-defunct) Films&Filming magazine here in the UK, I seem to recall them previewing this film with the title "Woman of July" but later reviews show "Woman of Summer". Possibly, at that time the British public would consider a title like "The Stripper" to be a bit risque...

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2016 - 3:43 PM   
 By:   Scott Bettencourt   (Member)

When I saw that thread title, I flashed on that odd fight scene from Anthony Mann's MAN OF THE WEST, where Gary Cooper beats the crap out of Jack Lord while tearing Lord's clothes off.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2016 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Mann's MAN is one of my favorite westerns, and has been ever since I saw it first-run when I was a school boy. Curiously, I never remember that fight scene you describe -- but I have no trouble at all recalling the sequence where Lee J. Cobb's gang forces Julie London to take HER clothes off.

Now, how do you account for that?

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2016 - 7:56 PM   
 By:   Scott Bettencourt   (Member)

I'm just saying it's a memorable sequence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRR1cFytGS4

 
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