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 Posted:   Apr 7, 2016 - 7:45 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Today on TCM they've been airing ones directed by Ida Lupino. One of them, Hard, Fast and Beautiful instantly brought back memories of a tennis movie I must have seen maybe a couple times but have never forgotten the sound of volleys. I'm sure this is the one. It has a score by Roy Webb. Another is The Hitch-Hiker with a Leith Stevens score. These got me thinking of others (non-Lupino directed) that have stayed with me forever, too, one being a strange little comedy called Behave Yourself! with a Leigh Harline score. It had a little dog in the center of commotion named Archie and that must be why it left a lifelong impression on this-then youngster. Another was The Man from Planet X with music by someone named Charles Koff. The title character looked like Mr. Peanut. Little wonder as to its impact.

These are a few. They were produced in the early 1950s. I watched them in the early 1960s. They were all b&w. Then again, everything I saw was b&w. No color TV in the L household growing up!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2016 - 5:05 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Nice story Howard. Let me join you on the porch with my pipe.

So, when I was a boy, we didn't have colour TV either - that didn't become common in my part of the world until about '73 or '74. So all the colour films I saw on TV were in b/w, often with the "snowstorm effect" caused by the aerial pointing the wrong way. And the films I watched since ever I can remember were almost always horror or SF, and usually what we'd call B flicks.

The result of this, speaking about the music, is that I had already been accustomed to hearing the scores of lesser-known composers before I knew that real people wrote that stuff. When I was about 12 I started noticing names and recognising styles, but it was never Jerry Goldsmith or Miklós Rózsa at that time. It was people such as Von Dexter, Hans Salter, Leith Stevens, Les Baxter, Buxton Orr, Kenneth V. Jones, Elisabeth Lutyens, Marlin Skiles etc etc etc. And around the same time, the spooky made-for-TV Movies were being shown, so I was pretty quickly immersed in the sounds of Gil Mellé, Robert Prince and Robert Drasnin.

It might seem odd to some people - I mean, I am odd - that it wasn't until a bit later that I began to pay attention to scores from other genres, and from films with bigger budgets. So my first "taped-from-the-telly" cassettes (Zzzzzz . wake up, you at the back) were all Salter and Baxter and Lutyens, then around 1975 or '76 a change began, and the cassettes (and my head) were increasingly filled with more varied stuff. I still remember that cassette which jumped from horror to... well, everything else really. On it were PRIVATE LIFE OF SHERLOCK HOLMES (Rózsa), MADIGAN (Don Costa), TORN CURTAIN (Addison), SHAFT (Hayes), AIRPORT (Newman), THE DEADLY AFFAIR (Q. Jones) and THE SATAN BUG (Goldsmith). That must have been around the time I was pretending to be groovy.

Thanks Howard. Any old excuse for me to spout the same old stories, sitting there on the porch, pipe in hand, dog snoozin' at my feet. They don't make 'em like that anymore.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2016 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I like it. The origins of film music love affairs are always humbling to hear. wink

TV...b&w..."B"...like from across the drink The Giant Behemoth (Edwin Astley) and Gorgo (Angelo Lavagnino)...and this side of the drink The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms (David Buttolph).

These aired all the time, too.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2016 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Yup, or BEHEMOTH THE SEA MONSTER as it was called on this side of the drink. Saw it on Scottish TV's Friday night horror movie slot, at 11:05pm on December 15, 1972. I was eleven years old, and just a tad too young to pick up on the Edwin Astley score. But I'll never forget the sight of all those dead fish on the beach. Why do images like that stay with us forever?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2016 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Oh the dead fish...and then he sticks his hand toward one and AAAAAAAH! But to this day the cue that still resounds in my head is when old behemoth emerges from the Thames or wherever in the ferry scene. A jarring piece of music out of nowhere, like the beast itself.eek

Don't ask me why these images (and music) stay with us forever. They just do. And I blame their makers!

PS heh heh

HOWARD (after sighing): You know, my brain didn’t ask to remember stupid things all my life like Jackie Rhoades and the sound of shears snapping or Lincoln and John Wilkes Booth and a harpsichord or Bolie Jackson and an 8-tone ascending chromatic scale that sounds like an air raid warning.

JERRY: What are you trying to say?

HOWARD: You put them there. --And one last thing.

JERRY (with dread): Yes?

HOWARD (directly to Jerry, humbly and with a cautious smile): Thanks.

(He turns his attention back to the road; Jerry, who had caught his smile, studies him for a few moments, then turns his attention back to the road, too)

JERRY: Glissando.

HOWARD: Hmm?

JERRY: The sound in “Big Tall Wish.” It's a glissando, not a chromatic scale.

HOWARD (semi-tight-lipped): Oh.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2016 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Baby Face Nelson. Andy Hardy on roids. With a Van Alexander score. Now what was a little kid doing watching that movie...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2016 - 6:09 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

"A little man, with a little baby face. A little man who thought he could be a big man, in a big man's world, just because he carried a toy machine gun around with him. A little man whose final elegy was, quite appropriately, from a certain Maestro Van Alexander, another man short in stature, but in this case big in talent, a talent he shared with his brother, a certain mister Joshua Feldman, also known as Jerry Fielding. Except in this particular case, and despite what is claimed in that omnipotent universe of unending knowledge which is "the Internet", Maestro Alexander was NOT Maestro Fielding's brother. These things happened, or perhaps they did not happen, right here, in - the Twilight Zone."

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"Smoke cigarettes - they're good for you."

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2016 - 7:17 AM   
 By:   SalaciousAckbar   (Member)

I miss Monster Vision on TNT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8unM2OSGVm0

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2016 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Back From Eternity. Don't know if it was considered B but I saw it lots of times. Franz W music. Ending scarred me for years.

Hey Graham, you know you will always be on my good side with any mention of Serling. They were like a string of classy Bs. Same thing with The Adventures of Superman, especially the film noir first season. Stocked with veteran B movie actors who played it for keeps. Fantastic scoring, too.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2016 - 1:19 AM   
 By:   PeterD   (Member)

Ah, yes, THE MAN FROM PLANET X is a childhood memory of mine, too. A look at the title character for those who have never seen it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7kEf-rW7ks

And an interesting background story from TCM:

http://www.tcm.com/this-month/article/430527%7C88748/The-Man-From-Planet-X.html

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2016 - 9:20 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

heh heh Mr. Peanut or the kid playing the banjo in Deliverance?!

It is interesting reading about Robert Clarke. His 'biggie' The Hideous Sun Demon's an old Chiller Theatre keeper and he was also in the tennis flick mentioned above. Gotta love the title of his autobio: To "B" or Not to "B": A Film Actor's Odyssey. His voice reminds me of Robert Alda.

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2016 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Yesterday I treated myself to something I hadn't seen in fifty years, The Attack Of The Crab Monsters. You know you grew up on a steady diet of sci fi and horror when you can still remember lines and faces from infancy. LOL this one was no exception. Call out the men in the clean white coats. Roger Corman has been featured on interviews the past few weeks on TCM and I have to hand it to him. He knew exactly who he was and what the shot was and damned if he and much of his stock crew didn't end up making viable careers out of it. The composer for this one was Ronald Stein. Like I ever heard of the guy, but Corman had nice things to say about him in this DVD's added feature. So I went to IMDB and holy cow I am ashamed to look at the incredible list of potboilers and recognize way too many titles. At least I can blame it on youth LOL. Oh but the best are these quotes from the composer, who died at 58 from cancer:

At mid-century Stein, as a young hopeful film composer, wrote to the various music department heads at the film studios in search of advice or suggestions. He received only one reply, and that from Lionel Newman at 20th Century-Fox, who said simply: "Don't come.".

I treated every project that I've ever worked on--and some of them have been fairly miserable--with the greatest of respect. My question to myself, always, in any work I've done, was that my contribution had to be equal to or greater than anyone else's individual contribution. That's always been the way I've approached it. This is also the way I treated it, budget-wise: never wasting money, even if I wasn't paying for it. I treated it with a great deal of respect, first of all because the medium, to me, deserved it; and secondly, because the cooperation of all the people involved in order to get a film mounted is important.


Keeping that in mind, I'm going to watch Not Of This Earth a little later. Had no idea what was going on fifty years ago but it still scared the crap out of me. big grin

 
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