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I actually asked to be a demo maker for this library when it surfaces. I don't that much about it yet but I think they will be recording new samples with sections and articulations that would be endemic to Herrmann's style (ie low winds, brash horns, trem vibes, muted brass, etc). I can't wait for this to come out but it looks like it will be later this year.
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Well, Spitfire Audio bills itself as providing "SUPERIOR SAMPLING SINCE 2007." Among many other projects, they have recorded Hans Zimmer playing the piano, which they turned into a library of more than 88,000 electronic samples, which they sell as a package for use by composers for their own compositions. Could they now be taking historic Herrmann recordings, cleaning them up, and turning them into samples so that any composer can sound like Herrmann? EIGHTY EIGHT THOUSAND?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Feb 17, 2016 - 4:04 AM
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EIGHTY EIGHT THOUSAND?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All those notes add up! Here's a more detailed explanation of what was done: HANS ZIMMER PIANO (HZP) THE ULTIMATE PIANO £299 ($449 / €419 approx) In his fourth collaboration with Spitfire Audio, the legendary trailblazer Hans Zimmer presents the ultimate piano library. Recorded in the Hall at Air Studios over many weeks, with Hans' crack team of engineers, and the award-winning Spitfire crew. This library embodies what Hans described as a “once-in-a-lifetime" opportunity to create a top-of-its-class writing tool for discerning composers the world over. The task was simple. Over the last two decades of producing oscar-winning and world-renowned scores, Hans had often stolen a rare moment of downtime to play the glorious piano in the inspiring setting and luscious acoustic of the hall at Air Studios. These brief solitary sojourns at the piano often produced a spark of inspiration for his next Oscar-nominated blockbuster score. It had happened time and time again. So Hans pondered, what if I could capture that degree of inspiring potential, box it and take it anywhere? HZP features the combined signals of over 60 microphones passing through the unique Air “Montserrat” pre-amps via a Neve 88R desk into Prism AD converters. The piano, a world class stretch concert grand, was played utilising a mixture of technical wizardry and dogged performing talent to produce literally days of recordings. From a huge array of round robins, dynamic layers, staccato and long notes to some extraordinarily detailed studies in the quietest layers of the piano, and a vast collection of effects and additional techniques. The Spitfire team of over a dozen highly qualified editors has spent nearly 12 months treating each sample like a little rough diamond, carving and polishing it by hand. Every sample has been cut, cleaned and refined and placed gently in a queue waiting for implementation, experimentation and review by the whole Spitfire team and Mr Zimmer himself. With recall sessions booked in the hall for more days of recording to make sure the full timbral 'gallery' of sounds was captured, the Spitfire team then cut, and polished again. The final version of the piano was then further refined by expert technicians working side-by-side with esteemed piano players testing on a number of different controllers (including Hans’ preferred Deopfer LMK4+) to make the most responsive, true and inspiring set of instruments. With the release edition there are 16 mic positions with the tree offering up a lush contextual position ideal for larger orchestral arrangements, highly useful 'mid range' that couple the intimacy of the piano with the beautiful wide screen effect of the hall, to a series of close “spot” stereo mic pairs, engulfed by the huge instrument to give you a pure and intimate recording. There is also a huge array of effects and playable "additional techniques" instruments that feature the talents of first-call pianist Simon Chamberlain and percussion supremo Paul Clarvis utilising many different techniques and a large supply of cotton buds and paper clips! KEY STATS 88352 SAMPLES 452.7 GB UNCOMPRESSED .WAV 211.2 GB DISK SPACE REQUIRED 422.4 GB DISK SPACE REQUIRED DURING INSTALL
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Feb 17, 2016 - 4:26 AM
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Bob DiMucci
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EIGHTY EIGHT THOUSAND?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All those notes add up! Look at it this way. Every individual note is a sample. You have 88 keys on the piano. You have each note captured by 60 different microphones in 16 different places in and around the piano. Zimmer plays the notes (full classical pieces and popular songs actually) using various techniques--low, soft, light, bright, full, rounded, warm and weighted. Deconstruct all those notes, take all those mics, and the various playing styles, combine them into innumerable combinations and permutations, and you come up with each of the piano notes sounding a thousand different ways--i.e., 88 thousand samples.
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"HANS ZIMMER PIANO (HZP) THE ULTIMATE PIANO" Am I the only one to be amused by the irony?
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What makes this a talking point is the question of democratisation of creativity. If ANYONE can create a Herrmann sound, then how can we 'affirm' a talent any more? 'Hommage' aside, why can't composers speak with their own styles? If you want to make a mark, it'll not happen by doing what anyone can do. As regards sampling, Herrmann's technique involved the standard symphony instrumentation. Mimicking that should be simply a matter of listening. If we are all composers then there are no composers.
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If ANYONE can create a Herrmann sound, then how can we 'affirm' a talent any more? Honestly, I don't think it's quite that simple. Nor does the Vienna Music Library make anyone an orchestral composer.
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Well, Spitfire Audio bills itself as providing "SUPERIOR SAMPLING SINCE 2007." Among many other projects, they have recorded Hans Zimmer playing the piano, which they turned into a library of more than 88,000 electronic samples, which they sell as a package for use by composers for their own compositions. Could they now be taking historic Herrmann recordings, cleaning them up, and turning them into samples so that any composer can sound like Herrmann? Oh, that sounds nice if true. Does it also come with pre-recorded cursing? ;-)
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This sounds extremely exciting. And by "extremely exciting" I mean "really cost prohibitive and pointless to many."
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If ANYONE can create a Herrmann sound, then how can we 'affirm' a talent any more? Honestly, I don't think it's quite that simple. Nor does the Vienna Music Library make anyone an orchestral composer. Exactly.
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Herrmann library is not advertised on Spitfire's website any more. Wonder what happened?
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Maybe they realized that the film studios, not Herrmann, own the vast majority of the masters to his recordings? Lukas
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