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 Posted:   Jul 3, 2016 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

Dear Graham,

I remembered your past advice during the Zigzag release era thread.
And you were right. Last Tango in Paris is cut in the same clothe as Zigzag.
It's even better and more developed.


Disc 1 is a Nelson masterpiece of personal arrangement and orchestration.
Nelson literally makes Barbieri score his own: it's incredible when you think about it.
The spirit of Zigzag lies in Last Tango in Paris all the way!
Thanks again, my dear Graham for your sharp input and insight.


PS: For those buying Last Tango in Paris, be warned that iTunes/Gracenote has no track listing for disc 1!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2016 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


PS: For those buying Last Tango in Paris, be warned that iTunes/Gracenote has no track listing for disc 1!


That's because there are no track titles for disc 1.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2016 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Dear Graham,

I remembered your past advice during the Zigzag release era thread.
And you were right. Last Tango in Paris is cut in the same clothe as Zigzag.
It's even better and more developed.


Disc 1 is a Nelson masterpiece of personal arrangement and orchestration.
Nelson literally makes Barbieri score his own: it's incredible when you think about it.
The spirit of Zigzag lies in Last Tango in Paris all the way!
Thanks again, my dear Graham for your sharp input and insight.




Thank you for your kind words, Member.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2016 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)


PS: For those buying Last Tango in Paris, be warned that iTunes/Gracenote has no track listing for disc 1!


That's because there are no track titles for disc 1.



You don't understand: the CD is not recognized at all as well as the tracks.
If Gracenote had been informed, it should have read like this:
Last Tango in Paris - The Film Score [Disc 1] for the audio CD.
Part. 01, Part. 02, etc … for the track listing.

The second disc is recognized as Last Tango in Paris - The Album Recording [Disc 2]

Do you copy?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2016 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

You don't understand...

I was responding to the following:

... iTunes/Gracenote has no track listing for disc 1!

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2016 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Dear Graham,

I remembered your past advice during the Zigzag release era thread.
And you were right. Last Tango in Paris is cut in the same clothe as Zigzag.
It's even better and more developed.


Disc 1 is a Nelson masterpiece of personal arrangement and orchestration.
Nelson literally makes Barbieri score his own: it's incredible when you think about it.
The spirit of Zigzag lies in Last Tango in Paris all the way!
Thanks again, my dear Graham for your sharp input and insight.




Thank you for your kind words, Member.


Somehow I've never seen this movie but I am a big admirer of Oliver Nelson, Zigzag, Graham Watt, (Member), and onyabirri, so I suppose I'll HAVE to see this. I am not a big fan of Gato's sound but in the right context and music, who knows?

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2016 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

...and speaking of Zigzag:

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=61131&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2016 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


Somehow I've never seen this movie but I am a big admirer of Oliver Nelson, Zigzag, Graham Watt, (Member), and onyabirri, so I suppose I'll HAVE to see this. I am not a big fan of Gato's sound but in the right context and music, who knows?


It is a great film. The Oliver Nelson film disc is IMO much better than the LP, but the LP is certainly not bad.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2016 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

Dear Graham,

I remembered your past advice during the Zigzag release era thread.
And you were right. Last Tango in Paris is cut in the same clothe as Zigzag.
It's even better and more developed.


Disc 1 is a Nelson masterpiece of personal arrangement and orchestration.
Nelson literally makes Barbieri score his own: it's incredible when you think about it.
The spirit of Zigzag lies in Last Tango in Paris all the way!
Thanks again, my dear Graham for your sharp input and insight.




Thank you for your kind words, Member.


Somehow I've never seen this movie but I am a big admirer of Oliver Nelson, Zigzag, Graham Watt, (Member), and onyabirri, so I suppose I'll HAVE to see this. I am not a big fan of Gato's sound but in the right context and music, who knows?




Zigzag is a good crime story with inspired film-making: good shots, good editing.
The score is well-highlit in the course of the movie.
The cast is composed of familiar faces for those knowing sixties television.
I am sure you'll like it.

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2016 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I've seen Zigzag; it's Last Tango in Paris that I need to watch.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2016 - 10:54 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

...and speaking of Zigzag:

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=61131&forumID=1&archive=0


And whilst we're all blowing our own trumpets (and everybody else's), there's this one:

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=60813&forumID=1&archive=0

By the way, I find LAST TANGO a real chore to sit through. Was never a great Bertolucci fan. I prefer watching ZIGZAG. Richard Colla! Now THERE'S a director!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2018 - 5:51 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I absolutely love this album and am thrilled that Quartet released it.

I do wish, however, that the tracks weren't so short, with all those long decays on the final notes.

I am going to load this into Audacity or Protools to tighten it up, and will report back with my results.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2018 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

By the way, I find LAST TANGO a real chore to sit through.

Imagine how Maria Schneider felt "sitting" through it.

I'm surprised TV advertisers at the time didn't copy the movie poster scene, and when the male actor says "Get the butter!" she replies "No, Parkay!" and they debate which to get.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2018 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Well, I spent about an hour with Audacity tightening up the film score to "Last Tango" into a cohesive listening experience.

As I wrote earlier, all the very short cues are split up with IMO verrrrryy loooonnnnng pauses, embedded within the tracks themselves, which completely disrupt the flow.

So, I combined short tracks, used crossfades, and at the end of each track, sliced off most of the dead air.

I then burned a CD, using 1-second pauses between tracks.

I basically went in film order, as the original CD had, but in a few cases broke up the order and combined certain tracks for instrumentation, style, and flow. I also left the annoying tracks by themselves so I could easily skip over them without missing any of the good music. I also left the amazing groovy instrumental by itself, as well as two of the very long tracks.

Here is what I came up with:

1. Tracks 1-3
2. Tracks 4-7
3. Tracks 8 & 10
4. Track 9 minus the percussion intro
5. Tracks 11-14
6. Tracks 15 & 22
7. Track 16
8. Percussion intro from track 9, then tracks 17 & 18
9. Tracks 19-21
10. Tracks 23, 25 & 26
11. Track 24
12. Tracks 27 & 28
13. Track 29
14. Track 30 & 31
15. Tracks 32-34
16. Track 35
17. Tracks 36 & 37
18. Tracks 38-41
19. Track 42
20. Tracks 43-45
21. Tracks 48 & 49
22. Tracks 47 & 46
23. Bonus track - Marlena Shaw's funked out vocal version of the tune, taken from the "Blue Movies" compilation. I think this is the only vocal version of the song that I have.

The whole thing run 58 minutes. Taking out the bonus track, it runs about 54 minutes.

I listened last night over cocktails and, for the first time, I really, really enjoyed this amazing music by Gato Barbieri and Oliver Nelson. I really wish that Quartet had done something similar, because I don't believe that the listener should be tasked with finishing someone else's album for them, especially when they are not getting paid. Anyway, it was an hour well spent.

I wonder what the LP would have been like if one side was made up of the key tracks from the album, and the other had an 18-minute suite from the film score.

THANK YOU, QUARTET, for this amazing release!

 
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