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 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 8:23 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

I STILL don't know the answer to this...
Is the Intrada release actual STEREO, or were the tapes MONO and Mike "turned" them INTO stereo? It's all so very confusing, so it the tapes WERE stereo.... someone just type "stereo", and that's all....no explanations! If the tapes were MONO.... please just type "mono".... and I'll be happy!
Thanks!smile

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 8:25 PM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

What's "mxmx"?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 8:46 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

What's "mxmx"?

That's Mike Matesino's username here.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 9:04 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Roger Feigelson confirmed in the main "Jaws" thread that the tapes are stereo. Specifically, he wrote:

the elements are stereo. The spread is unconventional as I mentioned in the announcement.

Michael Materassino elaborated…

It's three-track stereo but not done with the intent of presenting it in stereo. It was somewhere between "split mono" like Family Plot and the true Left-Center-Right configuration of Jaws 2.

I think the only reason anybody is confused is because Films on Wax believed (incorrectly, it turned out) that the tapes were mono.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 10:16 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

To elaborate a bit further, because the filmmakers knew the movie was going to be mono, the three track mixdown was considered "rough." Yes, it is "stereo," but not mixed in a way that it would have been if they were making a stereo film or planning to use the material for a soundtrack album. "Unconventional" is the best possible word to describe the element.

Mike M.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 10:40 PM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

I'm reposting this in the hopes it'll be replied to, from the Braveheart announcement thread:

I'm wondering if anyone who worked on the new release can comment about the audio.



The North American release (green cover) had a lot of clipping whenever the bass got intense.
Cues like 'Attack on Murron', 'Mornay's Dream' and the ending of 'Bannockburn' have it.





The international release (black cover) eliminated most of the clipping but has swapped audio channels and actually sounds correct because of it.

Are the clipping issues inherent in the recording at all since some were eliminated from the black cover release but not all?

Also for cues like "The Secret Wedding" there were two different takes used, one on the first album, the second being the film version which was heard on the "More Music from" follow up. The only difference between the two are in Tony Hinnigan's quena solos, as the film version was more loosely performed (if that makes sense) while the first album version was more musically precise. I'm betting on the film version for the new release but I just wanted to mention it in case anyone could explain why there was such a subtle difference between them.


I know, nowhere near as interesting as Jaws, but it's still something that's worth having some understanding about.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 10:48 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

First of all what's BRAVEHEART doing in this thread? And besides there is already a Q&A MIKE MATTESSINO Thread on the main board and the above discussion would have been apt for it. There is no reason for creating yet another thread as this doesn't make sense is that when some one needs to research the topic they should be able to find all the answer in one relevant thread instead of rummaging through the board and fishing the info in bits and pieces. Just saying.....

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 10:57 PM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

First of all what's BRAVEHEART doing in this thread? And besides there is already a Q&A MIKE MATTESSINO Thread on the main board and the above discussion would have been apt for it. There is no reason for creating yet another thread as this doesn't make sense is that when some one needs to research the topic they should be able to find all the answer in one relevant thread instead of rummaging through the board and fishing the info in bits and pieces. Just saying.....

This thread was created because of a recent interview. The interviewer elaborated on some information prompting me to think that the chances of him seeing my question would be much stronger.

I did not create any thread asking anything and if there's really a Q & A thread, then please point me in the direction of it, because if I had known about it that is where I would have asked.

Simple...but without the attitude.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 11:00 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

First of all what's BRAVEHEART doing in this thread? And besides there is already a Q&A MIKE MATTESSINO Thread on the main board and the above discussion would have been apt for it. There is no reason for creating yet another thread as this doesn't make sense is that when some one needs to research the topic they should be able to find all the answer in one relevant thread instead of rummaging through the board and fishing the info in bits and pieces. Just saying.....

This thread was created because of a recent interview. The interviewer elaborated on some information prompting me to think that the chances of him seeing my question would be much stronger.

I did not create any thread asking anything and if there's really a Q & A thread, then please point me in the direction of it, because if I had known about it that is where I would have asked.

Simple...but without the attitude.


My point being the thread about the INTERVIEW was already there on this board. You could have simply continued your questions there. No harm in that. That's all Im saying. And BRAVEHEART announcement thread is already there too.

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=112876&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 11:07 PM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)



My point being the thread about the INTERVIEW was already there on this board. You could have simply continued your questions there. No harm in that. That's all Im saying.


Which, given your initial response question: "What's BRAVEHEART doing in this thread?" would likely have been the same response I would have received if not by you, but by someone since the interview was about the various John Williams releases. Kind of a damned if I do, damned if I don't situation. I think the publication I'm affiliated with (JHFM - James Horner Film Music) would really love a similar question / answer session about these and other releases, but they probably aren't as interesting because dealing with 40 year old source materials in varying conditions and a lot of careful planning on how to move forward with assembling them into what those albums are now, is such interesting stuff regardless of who the composer is or what the score is.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 11:10 PM   
 By:   Dr. Nigel Channing   (Member)

To elaborate a bit further, because the filmmakers knew the movie was going to be mono, the three track mixdown was considered "rough." Yes, it is "stereo," but not mixed in a way that it would have been if they were making a stereo film or planning to use the material for a soundtrack album. "Unconventional" is the best possible word to describe the element.

Mike M.


Unconventional it may be, but it sounds absolutely stunning... a revelation after all these years. Thank you Mike!

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 11:46 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

At the risk of compounding a felony, I'll address the Braveheart questions here.

Re: "The Secret Wedding" - as there is no track with that title on the "More Music" release, can you explain what music you're looking for? Was it something that was pulled right off the film? As I recall, the track in the main program is the same as the one on the original album.

Dan Goldwasser assembled the program and he delivered pre-mastered mixes to me that did not show any signs of clipping. If anything, the levels were very low and it seemed that this was the case on the original album as well.

I came onto the project because La-La Land wanted Mr. Horner's blessing for the release, and as I was already dealing with his representatives on the Williams and Silvestri projects (the ones released over the past few weeks) as well as two other Horner titles (Pagemaster and another coming early next year), I relayed the request and was then asked to work on the project and master it. Mr. Horner approved the release less than two weeks before the tragic accident. So it is dedicated to him and contains a lovely page with memorial notes from Mel Gibson and from James' longtime music editor Jim Henrikson.

Everyone who worked on it is very proud of it. Dan did a great assembly and everything available to us was included with the exception of one bagpipe source track that we were asked to cut.

Mike M.

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2015 - 12:53 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

To elaborate a bit further, because the filmmakers knew the movie was going to be mono, the three track mixdown was considered "rough." Yes, it is "stereo," but not mixed in a way that it would have been if they were making a stereo film or planning to use the material for a soundtrack album. "Unconventional" is the best possible word to describe the element.

Mike M.


Thank you, Mike. The new information revealed in the interview now begs a further question on this point: should I feel as frustrated as I do that the original elements recorded at Fox no longer exist? Would those materials have yielded much more than just three tracks and second generation sound, and therefore your work and the final result today could have turned out quite different? Could you venture a guess as to a particular reason they weren't kept, especially for such an instantly famous and Oscar-winning score?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2015 - 2:31 AM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

At the risk of compounding a felony, I'll address the Braveheart questions here.

Re: "The Secret Wedding" - as there is no track with that title on the "More Music" release, can you explain what music you're looking for? Was it something that was pulled right off the film? As I recall, the track in the main program is the same as the one on the original album.


Apologies for the confusion:

"The Secret Wedding" was given a new title for the "More Music" album: "The Proposal".

It has dialogue from the film over the first couple of minutes of the track, but it's the same cue only with the (very) minor performance difference in Hinnigan's quena solo. This one is the version from the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2015 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   zippy   (Member)

mxmx: "At the risk of compounding a felony" Very funny Mike! Tech Wizard with a good sense of humor. That combo's gotta be a gift when the pressure's on.

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2015 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

At the risk of compounding a felony, I'll address the Braveheart questions here.

Re: "The Secret Wedding" - as there is no track with that title on the "More Music" release, can you explain what music you're looking for? Was it something that was pulled right off the film? As I recall, the track in the main program is the same as the one on the original album.


Apologies for the confusion:

"The Secret Wedding" was given a new title for the "More Music" album: "The Proposal".

It has dialogue from the film over the first couple of minutes of the track, but it's the same cue only with the (very) minor performance difference in Hinnigan's quena solo. This one is the version from the film.


Okay, thanks. Well, I'm going to say it's not on the new release. It was probably a case where the timing of a certain take was better for the film but Horner picked the performance he liked better for the album.

Mike M.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2015 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)



Okay, thanks. Well, I'm going to say it's not on the new release. It was probably a case where the timing of a certain take was better for the film but Horner picked the performance he liked better for the album.

Mike M.


It makes sense, because the solo performance in the film is note-for-note the same but breaths and slurring make it seem as though it were almost improvised. The album version is more precise. I don't know if I'm describing it properly, but it was such a minor thing it stuck out to me because it seemed a little much to have two separate versions with such a small difference between them.

As for that clipping I'd described, it seemed to be a phenomenon on several 90's Horner albums:

Braveheart (the cues I mentioned prior)
Casper (it happens throughout the "Swordfight" cue and at the end of "Descent to Lazarus")
Clear and Present Danger ("Second Hand Copter") - only on the 1994 OST, not the Intrada expansion.
The Pelican Brief ("Darby's Emotions", "Garage Chase")

All of those albums had a very wide range to them and I even recall reading in old audiophile magazine reviews of equipment that they made for prime test material to give systems and speakers a good workout.


Thank you for replying. Very appreciated and there are many out there (not necessarily on this board) who are just as excited to get the expanded Horner albums as the Williams albums. smile

 
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