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 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 5:16 AM   
 By:   Michal Turkowski   (Member)

Hi everybody !

Last time after revisiting wonderful Jerry Goldsmith, "Night Crossing" released by Intrada, wonderfully played by National Philharmonic Orchestra.

After listen "Night Crossing" I start thinking which Jerry scores are COMPLETELY orchestral.

I think about scores recorded ONLY with live orchestra/musicans. Scores completly without ANY synthetizers, samples or another electronic effects.

It will be interresting to make together a list of completly orchestral, "live" Goldsmith scores.

My first examples (correct me if im wrong)

- Night Crossing
- Air Force One
- Blue Max
- The Edge
- First Knight



 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 6:20 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

King Solomon's Mines.

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

The Secret Of NIMH?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 6:23 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

- King Solomon`s Mines
- Planet of the Apes
- Islands in the Stream
- Caboblanco
- The Great Train Robbery
- The Secret of NIMH
- The Boys from Brazil
- Papillon
- Lonely are the Brave
- The Spiral Road
- Rio Conchos

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Surely there's loads ....

The Sand Pebbles ...

The Blue Max ...

The Chairman ...

No?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Michal, I think Stephen's right. There must be loads, in fact I'm sure the "completely orchestral scores" far outweigh in number the ones in which Goldsmith employed synths or electronic effects. I don't think the composer really started using synths habitually until the early '80s, and then it was often just as an additional orchestral colour. Before that of course, he had employed all kinds of electronic effects, reverb etc etc in many scores, frequently SF or thrillers, but I still think that looking at his extensive filmography as a whole, synths and electronics were the exception rather than the rule.

By the way, would the use of an electric keyboard/ guitar etc rule out a score as being completely orchestral? Could we even call a small ensemble score of twelve players "orchestral?"

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

He's been using synths since the early days of his career - see FREUD.
Probably not very regularly but from time to time when a project demanded it.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

He's been using synths since the early days of his career - see FREUD.
Probably not very regularly but from time to time when a project demanded it.


Indeed Lokutus, that's basically what I was saying - I don't know if you were agreeing with me or not!

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

Air Force One has synths.

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

He's been using synths since the early days of his career - see FREUD.
Probably not very regularly but from time to time when a project demanded it.


Indeed Lokutus, that's basically what I was saying - I don't know if you were agreeing with me or not!


I pretty much agree with you, but I would say there is quite a lot scores in the 60s and 70s that include electronics as well - even in tiny fragments here and there... the number of orchestra-only score won't be probably that high... from the 80s it may be difficult to find some scores without any electronic elements whatsoever.


What about RUDY?

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Weren't the synth cues in Freud by a different composer? I think that may have been early on what intrigued Goldsmith about synths in film music...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Does ALIEN actually have synths or, like Planet of the Apes, are the otherwordly sounds created by unusual uses of acoustic instruments?

What about Coma, is those otherwordly sounds also created acoustically?

The Great Train Robbery?

Breakheart Pass?

The Last Run?

A Gathering of Eagles?

In Harm's Way?

Ransom?

Bandolero?

Hour of the Gun?

Admittedly, I haven't played these through to be sure there's no synths, but off the top of my head I don't think there are...

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

The use of echoplex disqualifies Planet of the Apes. Also electric bass, I believe.

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

We've argued before over whether amplified instruments like electric guitars qualify as electronic (Planet of the Apes uses electric harp). Alien is almost completely acoustic but there is a synthesizer noted in the score pages--the effect is so integrated into the fabric of the orchestration that it's barely noticeable. I'm trying to remember if The Mummy might be his last all-acoustic score...

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 1:03 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

The Mummy has synth, and Rudy does as well (that piano is a keyboard some of the time, if I remember correctly).

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

Breakheart Pass has synths in the cues "No Word Yet" and "Raiding Party"...and maybe other cues.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 3:29 PM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

In Harm's Way features early proto-synths such as the Hammond solovox and Novachord.
The Novachord (1939)in particular is considered by many to be the world's first
commercial polyphonic synthesizer. Goldsmith also used these instruments for The Satan bug,
the Flint movies as well as some TV-shows (Twilight Zone and Voyage to the bottom of the sea)

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

Does Chinatown ring a bell?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 6:06 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

In Harm's Way features early proto-synths such as the Hammond solovox and Novachord.
The Novachord (1939)in particular is considered by many to be the world's first
commercial polyphonic synthesizer. Goldsmith also used these instruments for The Satan bug,
the Flint movies as well as some TV-shows (Twilight Zone and Voyage to the bottom of the sea)


He used a Hammond Novachord in "Warning Shot" too. Also, the Novachord used in "In Harm's Way" was specially modified with an echoplex by electronic music master Paul Beaver.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 6:07 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Does Chinatown ring a bell?

"Chinatown" used an Arp synthesizer in at least one cue.

 
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