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 Posted:   Nov 20, 2015 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

http://news.wabe.org/post/composer-john-williams-embodies-art-musical-borrowing

Despite the provocative nature of the headline, all we see these days because it gets kneejerk reactions, I REALLY encourage this type of thing. I would love to see similar programs on my other favorite composers Ennio Morricone, Jerry Goldsmith and Elmer Bernstein, as well as Desplat and Banos.

What this would do is
1) Show how much better these composers are at their "borrowing" techniques than all the others.

2) When the dust settles it shows how much is original with them and there is a lot.

3) Last but not least, it would turn me on to more music from the greats from the past.


As John has always said we are all standing on the shoulders of those who came before us.

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2015 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Thanks for posting this. Is that your comment at the bottom? If so, it's about the best description of the positive role of temp-tracking I've ever read.

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2015 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Thought it was so good, I had to say it twice!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2015 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

a quote from Pablo Picasso.

“Good artists copy. Great artists steal.”

:-)

.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2015 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

a quote from Pablo Picasso.

“Good artists copy. Great artists steal.”

:-)

.

Ford A. Thaxton


I thought that was Stravinsky?

Another one to keep in mind is Sibelius: "No statue was ever raised for a critic."

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2015 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   jurassicmarc   (Member)

a quote from Pablo Picasso.

“Good artists copy. Great artists steal.”

:-)

.

Ford A. Thaxton


Great context!

Just this past week there was a excellent show on NPR about Gene Kelly:

http://www.scpr.org/programs/airtalk/2015/11/17/45249/in-performance-patricia-ward-kelly-pays-tribute-to/

It basically detailed how he was inspired by Hollywood dancers that came before him like Fred Astaire, but he took those techniques and mixed them with his own to keep pushing the art forward. He was constantly reading about the history of dance and tracking different styles and really UNDERSTOOD where they all came from.

It's the same thing for everything in life - you have to study rules and history to understand where things come from and why.

Then you can start creating.

The trick is making it YOUR OWN. Lots of people try and fail, because they just don't understand the history and the rules.

I've heard the same thing in film classes, graphic design classes, that I've taken.

Specifically with composers, some are more obvious than others and literally just copy. But John Williams has proven time and again that he can elevate his influences into a new and creative realm that is his own. He really understands music - where it comes from - and uses that to keep pushing the medium forward.

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2015 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   Toby Reiser   (Member)

Another one to keep in mind is Sibelius: "No statue was ever raised for a critic."

http://static.rogerebert.com/uploads/blog_post/primary_image/festivals-and-awards/roger-ebert-statue-unveiled/primary_photo__1_.JPG

Not entirely true...there is a Roger Ebert statue.

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2015 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   judy the hutt   (Member)

Yawn!

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2015 - 3:48 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

Try this one instead:

http://news.yahoo.com/star-wars-classical-music-shows-rare-giant-impact-061947228.html

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2015 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

John Scott's an even better embodiment of this, because his musical voice has so many more elements:

He uses overt French impressionistic flourishes (see any of his Cousteau scores, or Greystoke) coupled with a natively British (Elgar/Vaughan Williams)-inspired melodic writing, but also with Beethoven-inspired tonalities (see Yor! Hunter of the Future or the end title of King Kong Lives), but also often infusing lush Rimsky-Korsakov inspired ornamentation and Tchaikovsky-esque orchestrational ideas, with a little bit of Rozsa thrown in... Often times all within the same score or individual cue.

And yet John Scott's sound is unmistakably JOHN SCOTT's sound.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2015 - 8:53 PM   
 By:   roy phillippe   (Member)

a quote from Pablo Picasso.

“Good artists copy. Great artists steal.”

:-)

.

Ford A. Thaxton


When you steal from the living it's plagerism. When you steal from the dead it's research.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2015 - 8:54 PM   
 By:   roy phillippe   (Member)

http://news.wabe.org/post/composer-john-williams-embodies-art-musical-borrowing

Despite the provocative nature of the headline, all we see these days because it gets kneejerk reactions, I REALLY encourage this type of thing. I would love to see similar programs on my other favorite composers Ennio Morricone, Jerry Goldsmith and Elmer Bernstein, as well as Desplat and Banos.

What this would do is
1) Show how much better these composers are at their "borrowing" techniques than all the others.

2) When the dust settles it shows how much is original with them and there is a lot.

3) Last but not least, it would turn me on to more music from the greats from the past.


As John has always said we are all standing on the shoulders of those who came before us.


this discussion is about 40 years too late.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 4:40 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

a quote from Pablo Picasso.

“Good artists copy. Great artists steal.”

:-)

.

Ford A. Thaxton


I thought that was Stravinsky?


Stravinsky said it first...

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)



 
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