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 Posted:   Nov 21, 2017 - 8:04 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

What if Amy Irving or Cindy Williams got the gig as Princess Leia?

It would have.... uh..... well, it can't have been sold to cable without release, since cable didn't exist much then.

It can't have gone direct to video, because there was barely any video then.

Would it have been locked up in a vault somewhere?


Just goes to show you how dynamic Carrie Fisher was in the role. It's a miracle Lucas got the extra cash to finish the film. I'm sure if would've been locked in a vault, (finished or unfinished) for many years before appearing on syndicated late night television.

 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2017 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

20th Century Fox expected it to tank. They thought they had a bomb on their hands. They had their release schedule arranged to allow Star Wars to burn away quickly during the summer, so their losses would be recouped in the fall with what they thought was going to be their big hit of the year - Damnation Alley!

So I guess if Star Wars had bombed, we would have had a Damnation Alley complete soundtrack, if nothing else.

Oh, and there would have been a new Star Trek TV series in 1977. That was scuttled in favor of a movie, due to SW's success.

 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2017 - 7:49 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

20th Century Fox expected it to tank. They thought they had a bomb on their hands. They had their release schedule arranged to allow Star Wars to burn away quickly during the summer, so their losses would be recouped in the fall with what they thought was going to be their big hit of the year - Damnation Alley!



I read they were banking on THE OTHER SIDE OF MIDNIGHT. Did either of them do well?

 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2017 - 8:00 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)


So I guess if Star Wars had bombed, we would have had a Damnation Alley complete soundtrack, if nothing else.

Oh, and there would have been a new Star Trek TV series in 1977. That was scuttled in favor of a movie, due to SW's success.


Both excellent points, David.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2017 - 8:19 PM   
 By:   Matt S.   (Member)

After The Spy Who Loved Me, James Bond would have returned in For Your Eyes Only!

 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2017 - 9:20 PM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)


I read they were banking on THE OTHER SIDE OF MIDNIGHT. Did either of them do well?


According to IMDB, The Other Side of Midnight grossed almost $25 million, which was probably only fair at the time. Damnation Alley grossed $8 million, on a budget of $17 million, which wasn't. It's hard to believe that Damnation Alley cost a third more than Star Wars. It looks like a direct-to-video movie now. How much was the Landmaster vehicle?

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2017 - 6:10 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

After The Spy Who Loved Me, James Bond would have returned in For Your Eyes Only!

Another good point, Matt!

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2017 - 7:56 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

2So I guess if Star Wars had bombed, we would have had a Damnation Alley complete soundtrack, if nothing else.

Oh, and there would have been a new Star Trek TV series in 1977. That was scuttled in favor of a movie, due to SW's success.


Which might still have been scored by Jerry Goldsmith (the pilot episode anyway -- Roddenberry had wanted Goldsmith for the original series in the 60s).

There would have been fewer space operas, though CE3K still might have spawned in an interest in sci-fi to some extent (so we'd still have been subjected to Project UFO, The Phoenix and The Powers of Matthew Star!). Spielberg would probably have still made E.T., Polergeist and perhaps collaborated with Lucas to make Raiders as well.

But given George Lucas' otherwise-scant contributions to popular culture, I wonder if movies would have been much different. But I suspect effects technology would be less fancy today, as ILM would have been disbanded had Star Wars bombed.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2017 - 8:02 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Obviously there wouldnt be global warming, earthquakes, spike-shaped asteroids, rap music, internet, Putin, Trump, and Furbys. And Walter Cronkite would be running Lalaland Records.

 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2017 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Star Wars saved my life. It gave my life meaning and a reason to live on.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2017 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

There would still be nudity in "PG" rated and (sometimes) "G" rated movies. Even a 1960's Disney film had a skinning dipping scene. Star Wars turned Hollywood ultra puritan.

Interesting. SW actually almost got a "G", but the producers requested a "PG" to keep the teens from walking away from it.


The rating is "U" for England "Universal" a tot can watch it.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2017 - 9:24 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

There would still be nudity in "PG" rated and (sometimes) "G" rated movies. Even a 1960's Disney film had a skinning dipping scene. Star Wars turned Hollywood ultra puritan.

Interesting. SW actually almost got a "G", but the producers requested a "PG" to keep the teens from walking away from it.


The rating is "U" for England "Universal" a tot can watch it.


Don Bluth wanted a "PG" rating for The Secret of NIMH for the very same reasons. They gave him a "G".

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2017 - 6:06 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

If Star Wars had tanked, then maybe Starship Invasions would have gotten its rightful due.

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2022 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

I don't think JW would have gotten on The Franchise Treadmill had THE STAR WARS been a failure.

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2022 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

If Star Wars had tanked, then maybe Starship Invasions would have gotten its rightful due.



Is that a male or female? On the left?

Maybe it doesn't matter. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2022 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Kenner would have made Alvy Singer and Annie Hall 3 and 3/4" action figures, ("Now with coke-sneezing action!"). Kids would "collect 'em all!" and mail in five proofs of purchase and $1.99 for the special Marshall McLuhan bonus figure.

Damn, how I wish Star Wars had tanked.


And just think, Mega was offered the license to produce the 3 and 3/4" action figures but turned down 20th Century-Fox's offer. After the success of "Star Wars", Mega tried to make it up by producing action figures from "Star Trek The Motion Picture" but after that boneheaded play it marked the beginning the end of the company, though the company has since undergone a revival. It remains along with Decca Records turning down The Beatles and ironically, Universal turning down George Lucas' offer to finance "Star Wars" as one of the biggest business blunders in U.S. history.

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2022 - 8:15 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Kenner would have made Alvy Singer and Annie Hall 3 and 3/4" action figures, ("Now with coke-sneezing action!"). Kids would "collect 'em all!" and mail in five proofs of purchase and $1.99 for the special Marshall McLuhan bonus figure.

Damn, how I wish Star Wars had tanked.


And just think, Mega was offered the license to produce the 3 and 3/4" action figures but turned down 20th Century-Fox's offer. After the success of "Star Wars", Mega tried to make it up by producing action figures from "Star Trek The Motion Picture" but after that boneheaded play it marked the beginning the end of the company, though the company has since undergone a revival. It remains along with Decca Records turning down The Beatles and ironically, Universal turning down George Lucas' offer to finance "Star Wars" as one of the biggest business blunders in U.S. history.


I wonder if any of the companies who turned down Star Wars back in the day said in the board meeting, "I have a bad feeling about this".

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2022 - 10:24 PM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

Ralph Bakshi's War Wizards would've been a massive hit, causing the already failing Disney studio to go out of business, giving Don Bluth a reason to jump ship even earlier, and Mark Hamill may have pursued voice acting as a full time profession (considering his start on, you guessed it, War Wizards).

Also, Lucas would've still laughed his way to the bank regarding his "criss cross" percentage deal with Spielberg due to Close Encounters's grosses. Spielberg, on the other hand, not so pleased as punch.

  • Richard Donner said in the Omen DVD interview that the success of Omen actually funded Star Wars. So going back a bit w/o Jerry Goldsmith's masterpiece with Omen, Omen wouldn't have been successful. And if it hadn't been successful then there is no Star Wars either.

    By that regard, there would've been no Omen without Satan, and then there would've been no Satan without God, so, as with everything else in life, this one's on the guy in the clouds... that's right, Lando Calrissian* is God.

  • Yeah, I was gonna say, "Superman" was going to happen one way or another. Two fortuitous and important creative decisions seem to make "Star Wars" more of an influence on "Superman" than it might actually have been -- John Barry as set designer and John Williams for music.

    Or even weirder, John Williams as set designer and John Barry for music. It would be Starcrash before there was a Starcrash. Plus, given the domino effect resulting in Krull, The Revenge of Khan, and Battle Beyond the Stars, James Horner would've had a much more difficult ascendency.


    *Coincidentally, there would've been no Matthew McCochoaughgouahogahuey without Lando Calrissian ("alright alright alright!").

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