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More than any other man, even Lucas I'd argue, Johnny has been the constant voice of the Star Wars Universe since 1977. Personally, he is *the* reason I'm excited for The Force Awakens.
And gods willing, if Johnny completes the music for this last set of trilogies, I think his place in the history of *music* will be set along side the likes of Wagner, Beethoven and Mozart.
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I enjoyed reading this article the first time, when it was in No Shit Quarterly.
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Well its good to see Mr Williams finally get some credit for the music he composed for these films.Really its quite overdue!
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Williams is undoubtably one the most important contributors to the Star Wars saga but I'm not sure I'd agree that his role in the movies was more significant than George Lucas'. Lucas did, after all, create the whole thing - without him, Williams wouldn't have had any images to inspire the music.
Lucas gets a bum rap I think. But from what little I know about the production, it sounds like Marcia Lucas' editing saved Star Wars (1977) and made it the movie it is. That and Williams' score.
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Oct 1, 2015 - 8:38 PM
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I think I underestimated the respect John Williams has among the larger Star Wars fan base. It seems naive in retrospect that I thought Williams might not be a part of episode 7 based on the potential Abrams/Giacchino connection. Williams was not only brought on board, he was pretty clearly used as a big part of Disney's PR strategy to hype and reassure fans that the franchise was in safe hands. In contrast, Disney while respectful of Lucas's legacy in starting it all, has a conspicuous PR strategy to emphasize that this won't be like the prequels. Nobody really survived the prequels except John Williams and maybe Ian McDiarmid or somebody like that. So, yes, George Lucas deserves credit but it is a pretty mighty fall that he is not involved in Episode 7 and that has become a selling point for why the film might be really good this time.
Lucas's lack of involvement is the only reason I'm *not* excited to see "The Force Awakens". This is the first "Star Wars" film I haven't been looking forward to since the beginning. It may well be a great film, and I hope it is. However, I'm not excited about it, which is *very* unlike me, being a "Star Wars" nut through and through....
I'm not sure I understand the statement, "Nobody really survived the prequels....".
Anyway, I do agree that John Williams' music is fantastic!!! Don't we all?
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Oct 1, 2015 - 8:41 PM
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I think I underestimated the respect John Williams has among the larger Star Wars fan base. It seems naive in retrospect that I thought Williams might not be a part of episode 7 based on the potential Abrams/Giacchino connection. Williams was not only brought on board, he was pretty clearly used as a big part of Disney's PR strategy to hype and reassure fans that the franchise was in safe hands. In contrast, Disney while respectful of Lucas's legacy in starting it all, has a conspicuous PR strategy to emphasize that this won't be like the prequels. Nobody really survived the prequels except John Williams and maybe Ian McDiarmid or somebody like that. So, yes, George Lucas deserves credit but it is a pretty mighty fall that he is not involved in Episode 7 and that has become a selling point for why the film might be really good this time.
Lucas's lack of involvement is the only reason I'm *not* excited to see "The Force Awakens". This is the first "Star Wars" film I haven't been looking forward to since the beginning. It may well be a great film, and I hope it is. However, I'm not excited about it, which is *very* unlike me, being a "Star Wars" nut through and through....
I'm not sure I understand the statement, "Nobody really survived the prequels....".
Those involved in script, acting, direction, editing, sfx, art design, sound effects, etc.
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Oct 1, 2015 - 8:54 PM
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Those involved in script, acting, direction, editing, sfx, art design, sound effects, etc.
I won't comment on the sfx, art design, sound effects, etc., but.... are Liam Neeson and Samuel L. Jackson eating out of garbage cans these days or something? And didn't Natalie Portman later win an Oscar? I doubt she has trouble getting work in Hollywood because she appeared in Episodes I - III.
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Oct 1, 2015 - 10:25 PM
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Adam S
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Those involved in script, acting, direction, editing, sfx, art design, sound effects, etc.
I won't comment on the sfx, art design, sound effects, etc., but.... are Liam Neeson and Samuel L. Jackson eating out of garbage cans these days or something? And didn't Natalie Portman later win an Oscar? I doubt she has trouble getting work in Hollywood because she appeared in Episodes I - III.
I'm simply speaking to the idea of whose reputation survived in relation to the Star Wars saga. The fact that Natalie Portman is an Oscar-caliber actress only serves to highlight how un-Oscary her performance was in the prequels. Same goes for other actors. That can be some combination of acting, script, direction, miscasting, etc.
I'm speaking to the fact that Williams' reputation remained relatively unassailable which can't be said about most of the other creative elements involved in the prequels, including and especially in relation to George Lucas. People of course disagree but in so far as we can detect something of a critical consensus, I think this is true. And that's why Disney can take subtle and not so subtle shots at Lucas and not have to worry about a backlash of any significance. That's an explicit strategy on their part to build up excitement.
- Adam
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Oct 2, 2015 - 4:33 AM
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Solium
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Those involved in script, acting, direction, editing, sfx, art design, sound effects, etc.
I won't comment on the sfx, art design, sound effects, etc., but.... are Liam Neeson and Samuel L. Jackson eating out of garbage cans these days or something? And didn't Natalie Portman later win an Oscar? I doubt she has trouble getting work in Hollywood because she appeared in Episodes I - III.
I meant their reputations didn't survive the bashing they go for their work in the prequels. Wasn't commenting on any of their other work.
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I'd have thought John Williams would be sick to the back teeth of writing "Star Wars music" by now.
There, that's my trolling done for today.
If anything, I'd be sick of having to write cutesy themes like Jar Jar's Theme and things like the Thompsons theme from Tintin.
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