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 Posted:   Sep 23, 2015 - 11:48 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

A federal judge in Los Angeles ruled on Tuesday that none of the companies that have collected royalties on the "Happy Birthday" song for the past 80 years held a valid copyright claim to one of the most popular songs in history

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-happy-birthday-song-lawsuit-decision-20150922-story.html

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2015 - 2:30 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

He-he, all that money that's been paid. I suppose most of the money has come from film companies when they use the song in a film, & it's chicken feed to them. We've all sung it hundreds of times, & I don't think any of us have paid anything smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2015 - 3:02 AM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

What gets me about this ruling is that it appears to be for the words, not the music. So are we now allowed to sing the words but not to the well known music? Or is the music already out of copyright due to the ending of the original 'Good Morning to All' copyright back in, I believe, 1949?

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2015 - 5:41 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The gift that keeps on giving!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2015 - 1:09 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

What gets me about this ruling is that it appears to be for the words, not the music. So are we now allowed to sing the words but not to the well known music? Or is the music already out of copyright due to the ending of the original 'Good Morning to All' copyright back in, I believe, 1949?


According to the L.A. Times article:

"Warner and the plaintiffs both agreed that the melody of the familiar song, first written as "Good Morning To All," had entered the public domain decades ago. But Warner claimed it still owned the rights to the "Happy Birthday" lyrics, leaning on the 1935 copyright claim."

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2015 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

According to the L.A. Times article:

"Warner and the plaintiffs both agreed that the melody of the familiar song, first written as "Good Morning To All," had entered the public domain decades ago. But Warner claimed it still owned the rights to the "Happy Birthday" lyrics, leaning on the 1935 copyright claim."


Thanks smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2015 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

Bull hockey. It should've always been in the public domain.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2015 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

They have their right to copyright the lyrics just like anybody else submitting original lyrics, regardless of whether or not one day in the future it will become a standard for something.

If you want to sing something nobody will likely ever sue you over:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPE_Vpd9lO8

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2015 - 6:43 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

He-he, all that money that's been paid. I suppose most of the money has come from film companies when they use the song in a film, & it's chicken feed to them. We've all sung it hundreds of times, & I don't think any of us have paid anything smile

You couldn't even quote the song in written form without paying royalties so it also applied to books and novels.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2015 - 6:44 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

They have their right to copyright the lyrics just like anybody else submitting original lyrics, regardless of whether or not one day in the future it will become a standard for something.

If you want to sing something nobody will likely ever sue you over:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPE_Vpd9lO8


True, but did they really have a legitimate claim to begin with?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2015 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Not sure what that "-for now" is all about.

If you read the piece in Hollywood Reporter the statement from the judge is clear cut.
It is public domain. I can now begin my symphonic synth fusion masterwork with 35 variations of Happy Birthday.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2015 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   tarasis   (Member)

Not sure what that "-for now" is all about.

If you read the piece in Hollywood Reporter the statement from the judge is clear cut.
It is public domain. I can now begin my symphonic synth fusion masterwork with 35 variations of Happy Birthday.


The for now is probably related to the lawyers saying this are reading the judges opinion and considering their options. Which I guess means it could go to appeal.


A spokesman for Warner/Chappell, the publishing arm of Warner Music, said, "We are looking at the court's lengthy opinion and considering our options."

 
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