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 Posted:   Sep 22, 2015 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

One of my favorite add-ons for batch downloading images doesn't work anymore. Hasn't for the last few updates. Now I'm reading FF may pretty much shut out the individual developers, and all kinds of helpful add-ons.

So is this really the end of FF? Are there any other browsers that will allow the diversity of add-on's FF used too?

There seems to be an ever increasing effort by software companies to restrict end users freedom in customizing software in a way that best fits their personal needs. They want all the control, and we end users are now their sheep.

Read this:

The likely end of DownThemAll?
August 21, 2015

Mozilla just announced their intent to deprecate so called XUL-based add-ons in favor of what they call the WebExtensions API within the next year or two. The WebExtensions API is supposed to be mostly compatible to Chrome/Safari extension APIs.

What does this mean for DownThemAll!? Well, for starters, DownThemAll! will be dead if XUL-based add-ons with XPCOM access are gone. Simple as that. The new APIs would only allow for a severely limited in functionality, severely stripped down DownThemAll! at best.

Gone with DownThemAll! will be add-ons that e.g. let you change major bits about the Firefox user interface (e.g. tabs tree add-ons), add-ons that allow you to do more “advanced” stuff than just showing or slightly altering websites, such as e.g. restarting the browser upon click (unless mozilla kindly provides an API for that, which won’t be compatible with Chrome, of course). Add-ons like NoScript will be severely limited in their feature set as well. Say byebye to Greasemonkey and hello to Tampermonkey, with it’s limitations. Want that add-on that lets you change the new tab page for something else or enhances that page? Maybe it will be available, maybe not, depending on if and when mozilla kindly provides WebExtensions APIs for such things. And of course, depending on if there will be an author creating this entirely new add-on from scratch.

What this also means: Almost all your existing add-ons will be broken, entirely, save for some Add-on SDK add-ons, namely those that don’t do anything fancy. Sure, even today, lots of add-ons break, and some add-ons will not get updated when they do and there are no suitable replacements. However, with this change, almost every add-on will be completely broken and in need of major updating by the extension authors. Good luck with that.

It is safe to say, that Firefox will not be Firefox anymore as far as extensions go, but instead will become yet another Chrome-clone.

To be clear: I was furious when the extension signing stuff was announced and then actually implemented, which effectively created yet another Walled Garden, but regarding this announcement I am just sad. Right now, it feels like I just learned my dear old friend Firefox is going to die.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2015 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

It's becoming annoying with certain browsers not being able to run services; I can't use chrome to program my teevoo recordings remotely anymore and sometimes I find that chrome has problems recognizing or loading buttons (which makes it a hassle to checkout on some sites). I still use chrome as my default browser but I've also installed FF and Opera. And Safari has also been on my imac but I hardly ever use it.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2015 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I just don't understand what FF is doing. They were designed to be the alternative to the big companies that want to control your every move. Many versions ago FF took away the ability to turn off Java Script. Which can be a security issue. If it's not user friendly anymore I don't see the point of their browser. I never use Safari. It's all flashy but again really restricts the end user.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2015 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

"You must think in Russian."

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2015 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

"You must think in Russian."

LOL. I know that line but don't remember where it's from!

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2015 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

I read about the changes Mozilla were going to make to their Firefox add-on model a while ago. The best I could make of it was that the add-on model needed significant changes due to implementation decisions taken years ago that are now proving to be a handicap when it comes to performance, security and stability. Unfortunately, as you have noted, it means all existing add-ons will basically be broken once FF transitions to the new model. Any that want to continue will have to be rewritten by their developers. I can see the ones that are worthwhile having a go at doing their add-ons, but many smaller, useful little add-ons will die with the transition.

For what it's worth, in my opinion FF is pointless without NoScript. Until a proper and full version of NoScript comes out for whatever the final add-on model will be, I'll just stick to using an older version of FF. I reckon an older version of FF with NoScript and a sensible user is more secure than any browser that has no ability to block Javascript from running, no matter how many security features might be put in to protect against malicious Javascript.

Edit: I just did a bit of searching and found this page: https://hackademix.net/2015/08/22/webextensions-api-noscript/

That at least gives me a little comfort that all is not lost. But we will have to wait and see.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2015 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

"You must think in Russian."

You stole my joke! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2015 - 1:45 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

"You must think in Russian."

LOL. I know that line but don't remember where it's from!


 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2015 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   Holly   (Member)

One of my favorite add-ons for batch downloading images doesn't work anymore. Hasn't for the last few updates. Now I'm reading FF may pretty much shut out the individual developers, and all kinds of helpful add-ons.

So is this really the end of FF? Are there any other browsers that will allow the diversity of add-on's FF used too?


Do you have the Developer's Edition?

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/developer/

I know a few folks who use it and are satisfied. I haven't used it myself, though.

Anyways, can't say if the add-ons are any different than the "regular" version. I am currently on the ESR update channel per my organization. Talk about being limited. Ugh.

Here's another article about the differences between the regular and developer editions:

http://www.howtogeek.com/203225/what-is-the-difference-between-the-regular-and-developer-editions-of-firefox/

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2015 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

@ Ian J- I'm finding more and more sites, and I'm talking legitimate ones using redirect. At least there’s for the time being an add-on to turn off Java Script. Still criminal FF took that option away from the end user.

@ Mike J- Thxs! Classic.

@ Holly- No I don’t use the developers version. Someone brought it up before (the last time I went on a rant!) and I forgot to look into it. Thxs!

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2015 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   Holly   (Member)



@ Holly- No I don’t use the developers version. Someone brought it up before (the last time I went on a rant!) and I forgot to look into it. Thxs!


Not a problem. Let me know if you end up testing it out. My "side job" is as a site admin for a website that was built using Drupal. I like some of the add-ons FF has to offer (e.g. Firebug), but if the developer's version has more to offer, I might give it a spin. Just haven't gotten around to it yet :/

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2015 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)



@ Holly- No I don’t use the developers version. Someone brought it up before (the last time I went on a rant!) and I forgot to look into it. Thxs!


Not a problem. Let me know if you end up testing it out. My "side job" is as a site admin for a website that was built using Drupal. I like some of the add-ons FF has to offer (e.g. Firebug), but if the developer's version has more to offer, I might give it a spin. Just haven't gotten around to it yet :/


K, finally downloaded and installed the developers version. It was painless enough to find my add-ons and install them. (There's a Sync option but I was leary of trying that so I just did it manually)

All my old add-ons work on the developers version! WooHoo!!! So I have all the usability I used to have back again. Thanks for the suggestion.

I'll have to play around with it for a week and see if there's any shortcomings I'm not yet aware of.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2015 - 5:50 PM   
 By:   Joe 1956   (Member)

Whenever the woman with the funny hair farts, all extensions and themes are broken. It's a feature, don'tcha know?

I've been with Firefox since version .08, and have seen many developers years ago say "screw it", and many skins and add-ons have vanished. I still miss the Orbit Green skin.

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2015 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Well I don't know what happened, but just 12 hours later my add-ons in the developers version isn't working either. It worked when I first installed them last night. WTF? frown

 
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