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It's Shore's original composition for the scene in question (Frodo entering Bag End looking for Bilbo, while Gandalf ponders); In the final film, his cue was replaced with the long History of the Ring theme statement tracked in from "Parth Galen" (Complete Recordings Disc 3 track 5 0:00-1:19). This tracking was, oddly, retained in the Fellowship CR set, where the scene in question appears in Disc 1, Track 7 "Keep It Secret, Keep It Safe", from 4:00-5:19. So, the OST remains the only place to hear what Shore wanted to do with the scene.
Here's a cool video you can watch: The original cue, synced up to the scene by JWFan member Faleel!
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9U25jeV9qMHdnZjg/view
(Notice the "Pity of Gollum" theme playing as Gandalf ponders Bilbo saying "My Precious" and mentions "Riddles in the Dark")
Go here for lots more videos like this!
http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23525
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Oh, interesting. So was it used in any film at all?
Correct. It was replaced by music tracked in from "Parth Galen" instead.
And where did you learn that?
We figured it out in "Tolkien Central": http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showforum=18
The History of the Ring theme was composed by Shore very late in the recording process. It was first written for a scene at the end of the movie (the one that opens the "Parth Galen" track) and PJ must have liked it so much, Shore wrote revisions to "Prologue" and "The Argonath" to use the theme there (both originally used the Gondor Theme instead, incidentally), and then the theme also was tracked into both this "Shadow of the Past" scene, and "A Conspiracy Unmasked" (1:57-3:09), from that "Parth Galen" cue. The only really odd factor is that last minute film tracking was retained for the Complete Recordings set. Luckily this practice didn't continue with the TTT and ROTK CR sets.
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Sep 3, 2015 - 2:24 AM
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It's Shore original take on the scene in question; The music heard in the film instead is found in Complete Recordings Disc 1, Track 7 Keep It Secret, Keep It Safe from 4:00-5:19
Oh, interesting. So was it used in any film at all? And where did you learn that?
The annotated score that Doug Adams wrote at the time of the release of the CRs had some insights into "Unused Concepts" and "In the Making" about the changes of how Shore's music was eventually applied in the movies. Unfortunately, and somewhat confusingly, these notes did not make it into his book. "Parth Galen", where the quote of the History theme then retro-applied in "The Shadow of the Past" originates, was itself changed a bit. Frodo's vision on Amon Hen, for example, had originally a powerful statement of the Ringwraith theme with choir, similar to the one in the Prologue. I was so mad, and continue to be mad, that this was not included on the CR.
Faleel's videos are superbly done, but only serve to aggravate me about the small imperfections of the FotR:CR.
And even after almost ten years, I still can't hear the rubbed tam-tam and two timpanis in this track (on the CR) that Doug highlights in his notes...
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Sep 3, 2015 - 5:37 AM
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JimWare
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"Parth Galen", where the quote of the History theme then retro-applied in "The Shadow of the Past" originates, was itself changed a bit. Frodo's vision on Amon Hen, for example, had originally a powerful statement of the Ringwraith theme with choir, similar to the one in the Prologue. I was so mad, and continue to be mad, that this was not included on the CR.
The composition is on the CR. I would not use the background music of the DVD documentaries as a guideline to determine how a composition was intended to be heard. Those contain odd juxtapositions that should not be treated as 'canon', for want of a better word.
Faleel's videos are superbly done, but only serve to aggravate me about the small imperfections of the FotR:CR.
The starting point for the FOTR CR was the music stem as prepared for the FOTR EE. Fewer editorial changes were made to the music of FOTR in post production and Shore was generally happy with this presentation of the music.
TTT and ROTK were far more complex entities, and the methodology for producing the CRs changed as a result.
And even after almost ten years, I still can't hear the rubbed tam-tam and two timpanis in this track (on the CR) that Doug highlights in his notes...
Isn't that A Conspiracy Unmasked? 
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Man, watching that video really hammers home how much better the LOTR scores were than The Hobbit. Shore seemed totally checked out with The Hobbit scores.
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Sep 3, 2015 - 7:50 AM
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TheSeeker
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The composition is on the CR. I would not use the background music of the DVD documentaries as a guideline to determine how a composition was intended to be heard. Those contain odd juxtapositions that should not be treated as 'canon', for want of a better word.
Sorry, Jim, I meant to write "powerful statement with choir", the one indeed heard in one of the docs, and that Doug mentioned under "Unused Concepts" in the AS. I am aware that the bits and pieces used for the docs are cut and pasted a lot and do not reflect what was originally written and/or recorded.
The starting point for the FOTR CR was the music stem as prepared for the FOTR EE. Fewer editorial changes were made to the music of FOTR in post production and Shore was generally happy with this presentation of the music. TTT and ROTK were far more complex entities, and the methodology for producing the CRs changed as a result.
Who cares if *HE* is happy? I WANT MY CHORAL RINGWRAITH MUSIC, DAGGNABIT!  But as we've discussed at length over at JWFan, it would seem that for T2T and RotK, they put back (or back in order) unused parts of individual compositions, i.e. "aided and abetted" the CR music stem. By this I mean to say, yes, FotR had to be treated less in terms of editing, but had less instances where a complete (or more complete) composition was (re-)assembled for the CR. I think it was Georg who pointed out something along those lines (memory's a bit foggy). But I will defer to your 'closer-to-the-source' information n this, and many other, case. It all wouldn't have mattered so much if they had just put those complete compositions on the Rarities.
Isn't that A Conspiracy Unmasked?
Of course; my question was more of a less-specific addendum to his post and the track in question (as "Shadow" on the OST combines parts of both "Keep it Secret..." and "Conspiracy"). Do you happen to have the timings for the rubbed tam-tam? The bass flute later in "Conspiracy" I have no problem hearing, but the other stuff has always eluded me. Or is it the slight crescendi in the timpani around 1:20? Because those ain't that subtle or unusual... 
Ta!
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Man, watching that video really hammers home how much better the LOTR scores were than The Hobbit. Shore seemed totally checked out with The Hobbit scores.
An Unexpected Journey still has lots of Shore "checked in", to use your term. If you watch the BTS video, Shore's enthusiasm for the concept is evident. I have to assume that the video was done before all the controversial re-scoring and verbatim repeats of LotR music happened...
It was better than the other two, but still it sounded so uninspired. A bummer, man.
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Yeah, given how much I love his 'Lord of the Rings' scores I think 'The Hobbit' must be my biggest ever film score disappointment, unfortunately I just did not connect with them at all, glad some people did though.
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