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 Posted:   Aug 22, 2015 - 1:05 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Congratulations, Tom Maguire, on a worthy topic for us Silver Agers (and I mean that both culturally and literally).

I can agree with all the given candidates so far, but I think one which has not yet been proposed is, in fact, the single score without which none of the others would have been written, and that is the original Star Wars.

And I think we must all admit that, science fiction story elements aside, the Star Wars score is very much compatible with an Arthurian narrative aesthetic, and must therefore be considered the seminal score in this batch of late-70's/early-80's sci-fi/fantasy scores, one of which is, in my mind, undoubtedly the best of all time.

Though I'll give it further thought which may change my mind, my initial gut instinct is to say that, though Star Wars is the best of this lot, if you exclude that score on sci-fi grounds, then it ends up as a tie between Dragonslayer and Krull.

I welcome any disputation of this assessment.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2015 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

"Anvil of Crom," to me, sounds like nothing Williams has written.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2015 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

It's tough to call out favorites in this genre. The 80's fantasy films in general gave us what I consider some of the high watermarks in film scoring EVER - Krull, The Dark Crystal, Conan the Barbarian - Film music frankly doesn't get much better than this.

Now that said, "sword & sorcery" is not a genre in which I would have placed Heavy Metal - Not obviously The Dark Crystal really for that matter. The former is a marvelous score of course regardless, with Taarna's theme being one of Bernstein's most magnificent creations of his entire career.

Willow fits comfortably in here too, as does William Kraft's Fire & Ice and Donaggio's Hercules, a score so damn good and robust that I almost don't believe Donaggio actually wrote it (sorry, I don't think Donaggio can score "action" to save his life).

I really would love to explore more Peplum scores, but my options are limited because I refuse to listen to mono recordings. I do like De Massi's "Maciste, L'eroe Piu' Grande del Mondo" a great deal but it's the only Peplum score I've encountered thus far with sound quality remotely approaching "listenable".

Robert Folk's Beastmaster 2 is a magnificent score with one of the most underrated main themes to ever grace the genre; Anyone who hasn't heard it must get it immediately (along with his fantastic, Krull-esque fantasy epic, Neverending Story 2... And Lawnmower Man 2... Noticing a trend here?)

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2015 - 4:37 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Have you listened to any of the Italian peplum soundtracks, Tom M?

My favorites include Armando Trovajoli's HERCULES IN THE HAUNTED WORLD and Carlo Savina's URSUS NELLA TERRA DI FUOCO. smile


Have not. Where can I hear?


Even though AT's ERCOLE is out-of-print on CD, it's available as download via some sites:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/ercole-al-centro-della-terra/id624262394

http://www.amazon.com/Ursus-Nella-Terra-Di-Fuoco/dp/B001UDY2MS


Also, if you love Elmer B.'s HEAVY METAL, than this means you don't dislike the sound of the Ondes Martenot.
You might wish to look into the Kronos Records release of Trovajoli's IL GIGANTE DI METROPOLIS - you can hear the Ondes Martenot in the very first sound clip on this CD's track #1:

http://www.kronosrecords.com/KG14.html

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2015 - 4:48 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)


I really would love to explore more Peplum scores, but my options are limited because I refuse to listen to mono recordings. I do like De Massi's "Maciste, L'eroe Piu' Grande del Mondo" a great deal but it's the only Peplum score I've encountered thus far with sound quality remotely approaching "listenable".


Hi, bobbengan.

There aren't that many which survive in stereo, but here's a few:

Gino Marinuzzi Jr.'s MARTE, DIO DELLA GUERRA. (this is very much in the symphonic tradition and sounds not unlike Holst's "The Planets")

http://www1.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/20050/MARTE-DIO-DELLA-GUERRA-THE-SON-OF-HERCULES-VS-VENUS/

One of my faves (the URSUS by Carlo Savina which I mention in this thread) is in stereo.

IMO, another great peplum is GLI INVASORI (ERIK THE CONQUEROR) by Roberto Nicolosi which is in good-sounding stereo but is unfortunately on an out-of-print 2CD set.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81O-0BQNJgL._SL1404_.jpg

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2015 - 4:55 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Awesome, thanks! This gives me a good starting point.

Ironically, it was my fairly recent discovery of Donaggio's HERCULES that made me want to explore the Peplum subgenre, as I've read it was a huge influence on his writing in that score (and from what little I've heard thus far, that would appear to be true).

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2015 - 5:05 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

It's not a film score but "Lair" is magnificent!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2015 - 5:32 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

It's not a film score but "Lair" is magnificent!

Yea, this is a really really good achievement by Debney. It owes a lot to Shore's LOTR scores and Poledouris' CONAN but it's still quite good. The breathlessly dramatic finale of "Battle for Asylia", where he takes his 'Mokai Theme' to staggering dramatic heights with the strings, choir and booming timpani, is perhaps the single greatest moment of symphonic verbose in Debney's career thus far for me, shy of his dramatically brilliant conclusion to "The Dream House", a remarkably similar piece of music.

The album itself is exhaustively long and the 25 minute suite I edited and complied of my favorite bits are preferred listening around here. His unexpectedly fantastic aforementioned score to "The Dream House" follows in this vein.

Given Kevin Kaska's involvement in these two scores and the sometime remarkably similar-sounding "John Carter", by far the best thing Giacchino has ever written, sure does make me wonder sometime about how much of the stuff I love in these three collective efforts is actually the work of this hugely skilled composer/arranger... A pontification compounded further by the VERY familiar voicing shared in his concert works with relation to these scores as well.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2015 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   Tom Maguire   (Member)

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 Posted:   Aug 23, 2015 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   Tom Maguire   (Member)

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 Posted:   Aug 23, 2015 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   Tom Maguire   (Member)

Wow this thread got a lot more response than I imagined. Thanks for the great suggestions.
Not sure why I left out LOTR in my mind of Sword & Sorcery Movies.

Another one I thought of that hasn't been mentioned - Excalibur. I know it's not all original score but what's there is fantastic.

 
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