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 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 5:29 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

Among people who try to stay away from 'conventional' and industrial diets—that Medical Doctors call poison food—, which alternative diet do you apply:


1. The Starch Solution by Doctor John McDougall
2. The 80/10/10 by Doctor Douglas Graham
3. The Raw Till 4 by cyclists Harley Johnstone and Leanne Ratcliffe?
4. The Paleo Diet by Doctor S. Boyd Eaton

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 5:48 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Eat what you like, but not too much of it, & try to move around a bit, & however healthy you eat...you're still gonna die!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 6:14 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Eat what you like, but not too much of it, & try to move around a bit, & however healthy you eat...you're still gonna die!


Wise words, mate. Life is bad for you in the long run.

Give me 80 years of enjoying what I eat instead of 81 years of ascetic, burger-swerving misery.

Course, I might change my mind when I'm 80 - but it'll be too late by then so F it.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)

I mostly stick to an athlete's diet with a focus for strength training. Plain chicken, protein shakes, lots and lots of complete proteins from eggs, 100% whole wheat breads, fruits and vegetables, and all that stuff.

I indulge in junk such as pizza and burgers every now and then that more or less fits within my personal caloric allowance, because as the two fellas above mentioned, you only live once and not for long no matter what.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

I suppose it's a matter of lots of fibre, plenty of fresh veg and fruit (fruit juices are actually plastered with colourants and sugar) and as much protein as you crave whilst limiting red meat, and try to exercise. There's no need to avoid cakes etc. in moderation.


It's more to do with AMOUNT. If you eat less but make sure all the nutrients are there then that's fine. The thing to remember is that if you eat less, just a little less, in a short time you'll want less.

If you refuse to drink soft fizzy drinks like coca-cola for just a month, you'll never want one again, and you'll shudder that you ever did. The appetite can be changed.

Soups are good.


A new directive is being formulated just now in the UK from the NHS that docs should advocate vitamin D supplements for people here, because there just isn't quite the amount of sunshine we'd all like. That's been discussed for some time. The RDAs are all set in certain East Coast USA regions like DC but don't work in higher latitudes. All you Californians are fine, but Canadians take note ...

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

Find a film about:

1. The Starch Solution by Doctor John McDougall

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Eat what you like, but not too much of it, & try to move around a bit, & however healthy you eat...you're still gonna die!


Wise words, mate. Life is bad for you in the long run.

Give me 80 years of enjoying what I eat instead of 81 years of ascetic, burger-swerving misery.

Course, I might change my mind when I'm 80 - but it'll be too late by then so F it.


Tell that to John Candy. A poor diet and inactivity can be detrimental at any age.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I mostly stick to an athlete's diet with a focus for strength training. Plain chicken, protein shakes, lots and lots of complete proteins from eggs, 100% whole wheat breads, fruits and vegetables, and all that stuff.

I indulge in junk such as pizza and burgers every now and then that more or less fits within my personal caloric allowance, because as the two fellas above mentioned, you only live once and not for long no matter what.


This. Chicken, eggs and fruits and vegies can be very satisfying. It's primarily what I eat. I also workout three times a week. I've almost completely cut out red meat and fried foods which nowadays makes me sick to even think about them. I treat junk food (pizza, snacks) as a reward, something to enjoy in moderation instead of glutting on it. I don't feel I've denied myself anything.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

I eat a meatless diet high in vegetables and whole grains, but I don't count calories anymore. If I want pizza, I'll eat a bunch of slices of it. I cycle 2x weekly, run 3x weekly, and figure it'll all balance out.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   arthur grant   (Member)



The first and foremost recommendation for anyone even remotely thinking about diet and health is to completely eliminate red meat (including pork of course). I don't care what any so called Doctor or expert says, the truth is that it is primarily responsible for heart disease and cancer of all types... (usually the 2 biggest killers in developed non-third world nations). If you can cut way down or eliminate chicken and dairy products even better. The fat and excess protein simply cannot be adequately handled by the human body and can lead to all sorts of other problems as well.

If you require a named diet that you can research I'd recommend a macrobiotic diet. All it means is great life and it consists primarily of whole grains and vegetables, with some beans and seafood in moderation. If you have access to a Whole Foods they have many *natural* foods that can act as replacements to the animal foods you may be use to, that are actually quite delicious and nutritious and can help transition away from animal products. And remember, it's not just longevity but the quality of one's life that counts. Western medicine's answer to the major human ailments like those listed above have horrible side effects and a pretty miserable track record. Hospitals are no fun and act as revolving doors...you come out temporarily cured of one thing and go back in with something else. ALL drugs have side effects. Besides who wants to live like that?

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

The problem, as ever, is that yesterday's mantra is today's anathema.

There's a big scientific movement to get people eating LARD again, which was for decades absolutely taboo. The latest research seems to imply that, second only to olive oil, it's a good cooking medium. Apparently it's much safer than many of the 'healthy' spreads that are around at the moment.

Everybody remembers when sit-ups were the great abdominal exercisers. I can't tell you how many sit-ups I did over the years, but now they're outlawed from most gyms. If you drop them, your back problems will clear up as if by magic! They're useless, and will wreck your spine. Planks or leg-raises are much better and safer. It's not the deadlifts or hacksquats or bent rows that wreck your back ... it's the bloody sit-ups that you never suspected!

You have to factor in the generational Oedipal thing with new generations of researchers needing new PhDs, and trying to get noticed. Thesis - antithesis - synthesis MAYBE, but confusion for most of us.


http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2011/feb/15/consider-lard

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

Among those who are plant food-oriented, how to you consume your food:
1. raw
2. cooked
3. solid
4. liquid (juice) or semi-liquid (smoothie)


Among those who are plant food-oriented, what is your preference:
1. fruits only
2. veggies only
3. fruits and veggies

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


Everybody remembers when sit-ups were the great abdominal exercisers. I can't tell you how many sit-ups I did over the years, but now they're outlawed from most gyms. If you drop them, your back problems will clear up as if by magic! They're useless, and will wreck your spine. Planks or leg-raises are much better and safer. It's not the deadlifts or hacksquats or bent rows that wreck your back ... it's the bloody sit-ups that you never suspected!

You have to factor in the generational Oedipal thing with new generations of researchers needing new PhDs, and trying to get noticed. Thesis - antithesis - synthesis MAYBE, but confusion for most of us.



I hate sit-ups. Killer on the back and does nothing for the lower abs. Not only a strain on the spine but your thigh muscles do most of the work.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)

Yes, I never recommend conventional sit-ups unless someone is training for military or police fitness regimens, in which case the specific muscle memory is important. The core gets more than adequate workouts from a variety of much more useful and less detrimental exercises.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Eat what you like, but not too much of it, & try to move around a bit, & however healthy you eat...you're still gonna die!


Wise words, mate. Life is bad for you in the long run.

Give me 80 years of enjoying what I eat instead of 81 years of ascetic, burger-swerving misery.

Course, I might change my mind when I'm 80 - but it'll be too late by then so F it.


Tell that to John Candy. A poor diet and inactivity can be detrimental at any age.



John Candy wasn't exactly average build. At least, not down my way.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I doubt I'll ever cut red meat from my diet entirely. Do I eat it all the time? Not really, but sometimes I appreciate some good beef. I generally have cut out fried foods although even there is an exception sometimes. There are disgusting french fries that make me want to gag and proper chips (British style) with a light use of oil that are very tasty and leave the skins on the potatoes.

Mostly don't eat a lot of things that are empty and pointless (white bread especially) and try to ensure that if you are eating something you are getting enough fiber and natural vegetables etc. Don't eat a massive amount of anything and try to regularly have meals that don't leave you feeling stuffed after. If after a meal you feel like there is a rock in your stomach then you probably shouldn't eat that again.

I have also mostly cut out processed sugar. I eat the occasional bit of ice cream but mostly avoid cakes, donuts, sodas, etc. It doesn't do much for me and is only going to lead to pain.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

Google "proper food combining"...probably the most important diet info I've learned. Many foods and beverages are not meant to be eaten together.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2015 - 1:14 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

For those who are interested in plant food and living in America:

The Woodstock Fruit Festival
http://www.thewoodstockfruitfestival.com

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2015 - 6:05 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)


There's a big scientific movement to get people eating LARD again, which was for decades absolutely taboo. The latest research seems to imply that, second only to olive oil, it's a good cooking medium. Apparently it's much safer than many of the 'healthy' spreads that are around at the moment.



Lardons - lovely!

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2015 - 6:17 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

Among those who are plant food-oriented, how to you consume your food:
1. raw
2. cooked
3. solid
4. liquid (juice) or semi-liquid (smoothie)


Among those who are plant food-oriented, what is your preference:
1. fruits only
2. veggies only
3. fruits and veggies


1 or 2 depending on what it is, and always 3. I'm not a proponent of the "raw food" thing.

3.

 
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