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 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

I just got an e-mail from my best friend, and this is what he wrote:

" heard bits of Horner's score for the new boxing drama SOUTHPAW...and
he also wrote the score for Anton Fuqua's (the director of SOUTHPAW)
remake of THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN. This was on NPR yesterday."

HUH?!?! Did Horner composed the score for TMS remake?????

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 10:20 AM   
 By:   pete   (Member)

Here's the interview...Antoine Fuqua tears up at the end when asked about James Horner.

http://www.npr.org/2015/07/17/423899444/in-portrait-of-a-boxer-fuqua-takes-the-action-outside-the-ring

The Mag 7 part starts at 6:55

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Somehow, I have a hard time believing Horner wrote a full score for the MAG7 remake; without any footage to go by. Maybe a theme or an idea or something. But time will show.

As Southall said elsewhere, this comes off more as Fuqua "overselling" a point because he gets too caught up in the moment.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   Todd Smith   (Member)

He wrote the score in secret as a gift to Fuqua. One can hope it is used, adapted, or somehow maneuvered into the movie. It really is a nice surprise

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

I'm surprised Fuqua worked with an "old-school" composer like Horner on Southpaw. Fuqua almost always chose a Remote Control composer, like Mancina (3 times), Zimmer (2), Gregson-Williams (2) or Morris (1).

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)

This is really intriguing and I'd really like to know more about it. I suppose this could be anything from Horner writing a couple of themes to something like what Giacchino did with Jupiter Ascending where long thematic suites were composed.

I really hope that some of whatever Horner's written can at least be adapted by another composer. Not only would it be a final score from Horner, but it would also be a rare venture by him into the Western genre.

Is there a precedent for a partially complete score being used in a film after the composer's passing?

Chris

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Sure there is... BACK TO GAYA for example.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Perhaps Horner's friend and fellow composer David Newman could construct the score and conduct it in his honor? David seemed to have a great love and respect for the maestro as evident in the Vienna Steiner Tribute Concert. That'd be pretty cool.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 11:27 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Horner's 'Team' keep being mentioned, so I guess, much like BACK TO GAYA, his orchestrators and editors (J.A.C Redford e.t.c and/or someone like Conrad Pope/William Ross/John Debney) could take whatever material he has written and develop it across the whole film?
Of course, as we don't know how much he wrote (and since the film is still shooting?) it would be a pretty big job, but not impossible.
It feels like the makers WANT to do it though, as some kind of send-off/legacy thing.
I know I'd be happier to see a MAG 7 remake if the promise of new Horner music was attached to it.

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 11:27 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

This is really intriguing and I'd really like to know more about it. I suppose this could be anything from Horner writing a couple of themes to something like what Giacchino did with Jupiter Ascending where long thematic suites were composed.

I really hope that some of whatever Horner's written can at least be adapted by another composer. Not only would it be a final score from Horner, but it would also be a rare venture by him into the Western genre.

Is there a precedent for a partially complete score being used in a film after the composer's passing?

Chris


If I remember correctly Victor Young started a score for China Gate, and after he died, Max Steiner finished the assignment.

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Horner's 'Team' keep being mentioned, so I guess, much like BACK TO GAYA, his orchestrators and editors (J.A.C Redford e.t.c and/or someone like Conrad Pope/William Ross/John Debney) could take whatever material he has written and develop it across the whole film?


Exactly! J.A.C. Redford and Conrad Pope prefered, since they are both quite familiar with his work and fine composers on their own too in case more creativity would be necessary to expand upon what he had composed.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

This is really intriguing and I'd really like to know more about it. I suppose this could be anything from Horner writing a couple of themes to something like what Giacchino did with Jupiter Ascending where long thematic suites were composed.

I really hope that some of whatever Horner's written can at least be adapted by another composer. Not only would it be a final score from Horner, but it would also be a rare venture by him into the Western genre.

Is there a precedent for a partially complete score being used in a film after the composer's passing?

Chris


If I remember correctly Victor Young started a score for China Gate, and after he died, Max Steiner finished the assignment.


Yes indeed!

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

There's others. There's an older film, but I dont' recall the name of it. And of course there's "Back to Gaya", which Kamen's friends had to complete.


I hope this is true. It's like a beautiful surprise parting gift for us fans.

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

This could be amazing if true.

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

That's a lovely screenshot, Zooba, thanks for posting it. I love when big-old movie credits go suddenly human.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

Horner's 'Team' keep being mentioned, so I guess, much like BACK TO GAYA, his orchestrators and editors (J.A.C Redford e.t.c and/or someone like Conrad Pope/William Ross/John Debney) could take whatever material he has written and develop it across the whole film?
Of course, as we don't know how much he wrote (and since the film is still shooting?) it would be a pretty big job, but not impossible.
It feels like the makers WANT to do it though, as some kind of send-off/legacy thing.
I know I'd be happier to see a MAG 7 remake if the promise of new Horner music was attached to it.


J.A.C. Redford, Jon Kull and Randy Kerber were Mr Horner's regular collaborators in the later years.

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   McD   (Member)

It could well be true. This is how Howard Shore does his scores, and Horner has previous form in working behind a director's back to surprise him.

And many names have been put forward who could turn these suites of music (if that's what they are) into film cues.

Taking nothing away from Southpaw or The 33, but this sounds like it could be a lovely cap to his career.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 6:40 PM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

What ever you said OP...That aint happening. Nope.

These are the last 3 scores for Horner for Movies...

The 33
Southpaw
Wolf Totem

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 8:44 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

What ever you said OP...That aint happening. Nope.

These are the last 3 scores for Horner for Movies...

The 33
Southpaw
Wolf Totem


And why isn't it happening?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 11:18 PM   
 By:   sr-miller   (Member)

Well somehow Frank Skinner (1897-1968) scored the second season Night Gallery segment The Miracle at Camafeo (1972). Maybe stock music?

 
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