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 Posted:   Sep 23, 2015 - 8:59 PM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

Yeah I'm tempted by Jaws 2 even though the contents are exactly the same as the Varese release. Also Geffens reissue of Jurrasic Park wasn't worth the hires release because the mastering was poorly done.

Interesting. I just purchased JP from HDTracks and am amazed at the dynamic range. I'm hearing things that were buried in the CD and subsequent iTunes rip. Admittedly, I'm new to Hi Res audio, so I don't necessarily know what to listen for. Could you expand on your statement? What about the mastering was poorly done?


The CD has even greater dynamic range and better detail in the low end. The dynamics allow for a better sense of naturalness and moments of great visceral impact that sounded dull and unmoving on the download. Someone in another thread even found that the download is at a slightly different pitch than the CD version.


When you remaster something from tape and use the higher bit rates there may be pitch issues. It really depends on who masters these things anyway. I can go to a master tape and create a 24/96 master and if I don't mix it correctly, I will get different pitch and it may sound a bit different.

So in the end, it's how good the source master is. Regardless, to each their own.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2015 - 9:26 PM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)


When you remaster something from tape and use the higher bit rates there may be pitch issues. It really depends on who masters these things anyway. I can go to a master tape and create a 24/96 master and if I don't mix it correctly, I will get different pitch and it may sound a bit different.

So in the end, it's how good the source master is. Regardless, to each their own.


I'm not sure why that would be true, but that doesn't discredit the shortcomings I hear, as well as the better examples of analog to digital transfers.
Have you heard the original CD? Does anyone find the Geffen release better?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2015 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)


When you remaster something from tape and use the higher bit rates there may be pitch issues. It really depends on who masters these things anyway. I can go to a master tape and create a 24/96 master and if I don't mix it correctly, I will get different pitch and it may sound a bit different.

So in the end, it's how good the source master is. Regardless, to each their own.


I'm not sure why that would be true, but that doesn't discredit the shortcomings I hear, as well as the better examples of analog to digital transfers.
Have you heard the original CD? Does anyone find the Geffen release better?


I can assure you I've heard examples. Higher bit rates also expose flaws in masters if not properly mastered.

Yes, I have heard the Geffen CDs. I would somewhat agree with you on that. Where I hear great depth on the HDT download I also hear it slightly pitchier in other places. Nothing that detracts from the experience.

If they didn't use the original mastering engineer to oversee the transfer, pitch issues will happen depending on the quality of the master they used.

In the end, it's always about the quality of both the master and the mastering. 24 bit is a depth thing. Some say they won't hear anything while others will tell you they do. For me? I love hanging in studios during playback. I've done it many times. I can say that when it's played back it's usually in 24/96 so I hear a raw version of what will eventually be mixed/mastered for CD.

The rawness appeals to me because I do hear more instruments upfront and I can hear more depth in other areas. The issue I have with whoever mastered this recording for 24 bit is the low end is lacking.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2015 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)


When you remaster something from tape and use the higher bit rates there may be pitch issues. It really depends on who masters these things anyway. I can go to a master tape and create a 24/96 master and if I don't mix it correctly, I will get different pitch and it may sound a bit different.

So in the end, it's how good the source master is. Regardless, to each their own.


I'm not sure why that would be true, but that doesn't discredit the shortcomings I hear, as well as the better examples of analog to digital transfers.
Have you heard the original CD? Does anyone find the Geffen release better?


I can assure you I've heard examples. Higher bit rates also expose flaws in masters if not properly mastered.

Yes, I have heard the Geffen CDs. I would somewhat agree with you on that. Where I hear great depth on the HDT download I also hear it slightly pitchier in other places. Nothing that detracts from the experience.

If they didn't use the original mastering engineer to oversee the transfer, pitch issues will happen depending on the quality of the master they used.

In the end, it's always about the quality of both the master and the mastering. 24 bit is a depth thing. Some say they won't hear anything while others will tell you they do. For me? I love hanging in studios during playback. I've done it many times. I can say that when it's played back it's usually in 24/96 so I hear a raw version of what will eventually be mixed/mastered for CD.

The rawness appeals to me because I do hear more instruments upfront and I can hear more depth in other areas. The issue I have with whoever mastered this recording for 24 bit is the low end is lacking.


I'll use this as an example - it seems Universal, when transferring and cleaning up their tape catalogs tends to use the brickwall techniques for loudness much to all our dismay. I saw it on Nirvana's Nevermind, seen it on a bunch of other 24 bit transfers of classic rock releases.

I know the Warner masters on HDT are usually top notch and clean in their presentation. Those two companies spent a ton of money cleaning, transferring and archiving their masters in higher bit rates.

Sony took it up a notch and has been storing a lot of their archives using their DSD technology so the quality is pretty nice there.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2015 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)

Actually I shouldn't mention Hi Res too much, because the differences I'm hearing I don't think has anything to do with a hi resolution download. I only mentioned pitch because someone else had noticed it. My issue was with the dynamic range, weak bass and lack of the visceral impact I found in the original release. These issues I'm sure are in the new 16-bit CD version as well. So I don't think paying a premium for a 96/24 version of Jurassic Park and it looks like Jaws 2 in their current state is worth it.

 
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