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 Posted:   Jun 22, 2015 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The dwarf planet appears to be beige-orange in color, while its moon is grey. Its just a blurry dot right now but New Horizons will orbit Pluto in July and we should get incredible close ups for the first time.

Surprised its beige-orange (I guess like Jupiter and Saturn) I expected it to be blueish like Uranus.

http://www.space.com/29721-pluto-color-movie-double-planet-dance.html

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2015 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I think, Sol, New Horizons doesn't have the fuel/reaction mass to burn in going for an orbit about Pluto/Charon etc. It should whizz by, and the best that can be done is to collect as many hi-rez snapshots and data as possible during the close, albeit brief encounter.

The talk of satellite capture scenarios for Pluto is the really interesting part, though.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2015 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

I'm thinking 2 things:

How great it is that technology many years old gets us this.

How great it is that technology will not last long enough for humans to get out there, colonize and make a wreck of places like that, and we'll be able to look back in wonder at pictures like these.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2015 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Oh man, what a missed opportunity!

To go with the (unavoidably) pixelated images, they should have underscored the video with an 8-bit version of a Holst clip!

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2015 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

It's going to be interesting to see if both Pluto and Charon show evidence of mutally inflicted surface scarring, with some kind of frictional contact being the method of leaving them conjoined. If so, God not only plays dice, but snooker too!

If we don't get off the planet en mass at some stage, we are destined to wither away. The Sun is a third generation star. It's been around for something like 5000,000,000 years (about 1/3 the age of the Universe itself) and is about halfway through it's own lifespan. The Sun has more resources to burn than we have on the earth, relatively speaking. It's worth bearing in mind that complex biological entities, such as ourselves, require a prodigious quantity of energy with which to get by. We are curtailed by an ever constant problem. Please refer to the game of foxes and rabbits.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2015 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I think, Sol, New Horizons doesn't have the fuel/reaction mass to burn in going for an orbit about Pluto/Charon etc. It should whizz by, and the best that can be done is to collect as many hi-rez snapshots and data as possible during the close, albeit brief encounter.

The talk of satellite capture scenarios for Pluto is the really interesting part, though.


Thxs, I didn't know that. I just assumed it was going to go into an orbit. I hope it gets some good snap shots after a 10 year road trip!

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2015 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I'm thinking 2 things:

How great it is that technology many years old gets us this.

How great it is that technology will not last long enough for humans to get out there, colonize and make a wreck of places like that, and we'll be able to look back in wonder at pictures like these.


Many would agree with you. Where mankind cares to go it generally frack things up! Some believe if we detect life on Mars via robots or other means we should not go their and contaminate it's biosphere anymore than we already have.

The wonderful thing about Earth is its gone through 5 major extinctions with massive changes in climate and always rebounded. If people ever go extinct you can be sure Earth will evolve another evolutionary chain of lifeforms. There's plenty of time.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2015 - 3:27 PM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

The dwarf planet appears to be beige-orange in color, while its moon is grey. Its just a blurry dot right now but New Horizons will orbit Pluto in July and we should get incredible close ups for the first time.

Surprised its beige-orange (I guess like Jupiter and Saturn) I expected it to be blueish like Uranus.

http://www.space.com/29721-pluto-color-movie-double-planet-dance.html[/endquot

Horizons is not going to orbit Pluto, it is going to flyby and leave the solar system. Maybe see another dwarf planet on its way out.
Very frustrating that these pictures are taking so long to show any real detail. Also we won't be getting pictures July 14th. The craft will be to busy collecting data. So we will have to wait for the best pics!
Chris

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2015 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I don't know if the flyby will be able to capture all, if not most of Pluto's surface. The boffins would have planned how best to optimise the view switching of the camera between Pluto and it's entourage. There must be a priority sequence based on a number of factors. It's a sure bet something is going to have to be missed, or be cranked down in importance.

Whatever happens, I'm sure the mission will leave lots of smiles on lots of faces. Pluto is the last planetary outpost this side of the Kuiper Belt - that's something to think about.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2015 - 5:28 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Where are they going after Pluto? Are they going out to Xena? Now that would be monumental.

 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2015 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I'm thinking 2 things:

How great it is that technology many years old gets us this.

How great it is that technology will not last long enough for humans to get out there, colonize and make a wreck of places like that, and we'll be able to look back in wonder at pictures like these.


And :-

Oh man, what a missed opportunity!

To go with the (unavoidably) pixelated images, they should have underscored the video with an 8-bit version of a Holst clip!


Equals :-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/11351164/New-Horizons-Pluto-probe-powered-by-PlayStations.html

 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2015 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

New images!!! She's looking pretty. Almost looks like a planet you would see in a Star Trek movie.

http://www.space.com/29842-latest-pluto-photos-new-horizons.html

 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2015 - 5:30 PM   
 By:   ST-321   (Member)

Where are they going after Pluto? Are they going out to Xena? Now that would be monumental.

Xena was a nickname. It's official name is Eris. Unfortunately, Eris is in the wrong position for New Horizons to make it there.

Edited:

Here's the latest on the possible follow-up target:

The newly named objects are 2014 MT69, a 37-mile (60-km) wide body circling some 44.3 times farther away from the sun than Earth. An encounter with MT69 would occur around New Year’s Day 2019.

 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2015 - 5:52 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

You know what I'm thinking?

I'm thinking if the large circular splotches around Pluto's equator are in-plane with Charon's orbit, they are the smoking gun. They're the skid marks Charon made in a hop, hop, hop, scrape, scrape, scrape type contact while brushing against the larger object. Remember the Barnes Wallis bouncing bombs from WWII? This could have been the mechanism slowing Charon down from an excess of speed that would have caused it to take leave of Pluto. It's the brake that left Charon tied to Pluto in a fairly tight orbit. It might turn out to be something else, but WTF, I don't think so!

The other four moons take some explaining. If they, too, lie in the same (relatively speaking) plane as Charon then they are just fragments that broke off from Charon when it initially hit Pluto. It kind of makes sense. Each blow from one of the hops struck off fragments of Charon. Generally, the smaller pieces would get flung further out. Here's the important thing - when you have several objects initially trapped to a larger gravitational object, what tends to happen over time is the inter-gravitational pull acting between all the objects evens out their orbital motions into near circular, low eccentricity, ring-like pathways. Which is what we see today. The Plutoid system is one interesting randomly selected solar system balls-up in the making.

It's just like Valles Marineris on Mars, with the overhead leftover debris of Phobos and Deimos. Man, this finding is going to burn lots of midnight oil.

It remains to be seen if Charon itself has parallel scarring on it's surface to lend support to this idea. The fact that Charon is dark in color to Pluto's shades of brown suggests Charon's outer layered material smudged Pluto's surface from the edge-on ricochet effect of having made physical contact one hell of a long time ago - that's 32-bit technology for you!

And yes, this has implications for our Moon in a near-identical scenario. I once suggested that equivalent fragments that chipped off the Moon as it scraped past earth would have fallen back on to the Moon's surface at offset points to the largest impact site, which would have marked the area of the Moon taking that huge blow with earth. The reason we don't have any other smaller irregular moons in spread out orbits, as with Pluto and Mars, is because the Moon's stronger gravity-field pulled them all in, leaving the various maria as side by side footprints of the debris fields left over from chunks of molten rock that rained back down to the surface.

The evidence is mounting so beautifully. Jeez, if I had potato and papier-mache, I'd do a Roy Neary sculpture-par-extraordinaire for you guys.

In fact, the DM has a full rotation animation of the northern hemisphere. It looks like there's a streak that then leads to the three patches, with the fourth opening up to a long slide that tapers continuously for most of the distance around the planet. Looks like something either dug in and came to a crashing stop or finally broke contact with the surface. It's an extraordinary solar system landmark. A pity we can't see the entire surface:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3148809/What-white-alien-spots-Pluto-movie-dwarf-planet-reveals-mysterious-markings.html

 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2015 - 6:57 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

@ ST-321- Thanks for replying. That's a shame. I really wanted to see Eris. But its all unexplored territory so it’s going to be exciting!

@ Grecchus- I like your theories regarding Mars/Pluto and their moons. Even from this distance Pluto looks damn interesting!

I wonder if “Earths second moon” is a fragment from the Earth /Theia collision? Perhaps a chunk that got blown so far out it never became part of either, but not big enough to break free from our orbit.

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2015 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

A glitch caused NASA's New Horizons spacecraft to go dark for more than an hour Saturday (July 4), just 10 days before its historic flyby of Pluto.

The probe's handlers lost contact with New Horizons at 1:54 p.m. EDT (1754 GMT) Saturday but were able to restore communications at 3:15 p.m. EDT (1915 GMT).

Members of an "anomaly review board" are currently investigating the issue and working to get New Horizons out of the protective safe mode and back up to speed. Mission officials said the recovery process could take several days, since it takes about 4.5 hours for commands to get to the spacecraft, which is nearly 3 billion miles (4.8 billion kilometers) from Earth.

"New Horizons will be temporarily unable to collect science data during that time," team members wrote. "Status updates will be issued as new information is available."

http://www.space.com/29853-new-horizons-glitch-pluto-flyby.html

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2015 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Surprised its beige-orange (I guess like Jupiter and Saturn) I expected it to be blueish like Uranus.

mine's only blueish when I've been sitting for a long time (cut's off the circulation).

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2015 - 2:54 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

The blackout has given some pause for thought.

It looks to me as though Charon has come in at a very shallow angle and initially grazed the surface of Pluto. It lost a little bit of energy. Then it starts to skip, once, twice, thrice and on the fourth impact something of real significance happens. A larger sized chunk breaks off Charon due to the external pounding the outer crust has taken.

The part that might have broken off at this point saves Charon. Like the bullet of a gun leaving the chamber, the recoil effect pushes against the bulk of Charon with sufficient force to start it's deflection away from Pluto. If that event had not happened, Charon would have likely impacted Pluto with far more devastating consequences. Charon then leaves the surface more or less intact. The larger part which broke off, however, cuts a huge swathe across the surface of the planet. The downward acting force from detaching Charon causes it to break up, leaving material to fan out until it loses momentum and the dust settles.

So I think Charon lost a few "fingers," which flew off into orbit, and maybe a "foot" dug into the surface on it's close encounter with Pluto. Charon, however, lived to tell it's tale. Anyone got any thoughts?

 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2016 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

It seems the last bit of information from New Horizon's peek at the Pluto system has now been zapped to planet earth. All in all, a job very well done.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3882772/Spacecraft-sends-bit-data-2015-Plutoflyby.html

http://www.space.com/34539-new-horizons-pluto-flyby-data.html

I would, however, like to see as much of the sides of Pluto and Charon not facing the spacecraft at the time of the encounter. They no doubt own this information in varying shades of grey, but still, I'd like to see it in addition to the relatively low quality snippets we've already seen.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2016 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

WOW!

 
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