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 Posted:   Jun 5, 2015 - 8:17 PM   
 By:   Movieman5   (Member)

Hello,

I was just thinking about how John Williams scored two terrific holiday releases in 1991, JFK and Hook. Does anyone know how he was able to score both films? Did he work on JFK first then move on to Hook or did he go back and forth between the two? However he did it, it's a marvelous achievement considering that both scores are very different.

Hook was released Dec 11, 1991
JFK was released Dec 20, 1991

Also if I had to rank one over the other, I'd probably go for Hook.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2015 - 9:34 PM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

Scoring a film has little to do with when it's being released. Sometimes a film needs extensive re-edits, re-shoots, etc. In the case of these two movies, both are of a pretty big scope, especially JFK with all of those montages and editing tricks. Hook went through a lot of edits as well and was filmed up to a year before its release, meaning it was likely scored months ahead.

I've never heard of a composer doing two scores at once anyways.

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2015 - 10:08 PM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)

HOOK being a Spielberg picture, Williams was attached very early, and conceived many of the themes between his work on HOME ALONE and the start of filming on HOOK (which was largely shot during the first half of 1991). The actual scoring did not take place until late summer and fall, however, at which time Williams wrote in chunks as the film came together. (He also scored the film's teaser trailer, as announced in the LA Times in late August).

Meanwhile, Williams went to New Orleans to visit with Stone during the filming of JFK, following the 1991 Boston Pops summer season -- my guess would be late July or early August. He then wrote and recorded music for JFK in advance of seeing the completed film, some of which was edited to his cues. It seems likely that he had JFK off his plate by the time he began work in earnest on HOOK -- the latter being recorded between mid-October and early November.

More information, with quotes from Williams, can be found in a January 1992 Boston Globe article, which has been archived by JWFan here: http://www.jwfan.com/?page_id=4538

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2015 - 10:41 PM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

Sounds about right!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2017 - 10:26 PM   
 By:   bladerunner76   (Member)

Anything new on a re release of JFK?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2017 - 10:32 PM   
 By:   thestat   (Member)

Great artists multitask - and Williams in particular has that gift. He did compose Images and other wild stuff even when he was probably thinking of a Shark Cage Fugue.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2017 - 10:35 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I love both scores! I would love a reissue of the full HOOK score, I'm quite depressed I missed out on that one.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2017 - 5:58 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Anything new on a re release of JFK?

I remember someone from a label (I think MV from Lalaland?) implying that an expansion is coming..

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2017 - 7:21 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Anything new on a re release of JFK?

I remember someone from a label (I think MV from Lalaland?) implying that an expansion is coming..


Yes. MV indicated that it is slated for 2017 Year end ie. If all goes well. But its also possible that it may slip into 2018. Whatever happens, we will see. But it is indeed coming.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2017 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   JohnnyRoastbeef   (Member)

Yeah, I think MV was referring to both JFK and The Towering Inferno when he said "not before 2017." So hopefully we see them both this year, although the way release schedules go, I am prepared for a longer wait if need be. As for Hook, it is absolutely one of my favourite scores of all time, easily top 10 Williams for me, and I love the current LLL release, but since it is out of print, and there're still cues I've been waiting for over 20 years to get on CD (like the piece in between "The Banquet" and "The Never-Feast" in the film) that weren't on the LLL 2-disc album, and combined with the possibility that better sources could turn up for the cues that they used the music stems for, and the fact that Williams has become far more permissive to complete and chronological releases, I too would very much welcome another release of this score, perhaps with the same 3-disc treatment that A.I. got. That would be wonderful.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2017 - 6:43 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

I too would very much welcome another release of this score, perhaps with the same 3-disc treatment that A.I. got. That would be wonderful.

I agree.
If Home Alone got a redone then Hook definitely should get one too.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2017 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

JFK is awesome and I will buy it again and again on any new format it should grace.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2017 - 6:54 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

I too would very much welcome another release of this score, perhaps with the same 3-disc treatment that A.I. got. That would be wonderful.

I agree.
If Home Alone got a redone then Hook definitely should get one too.



An expansion of an expansion? Is that where we are now?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2017 - 7:04 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Of the two, I think JFK is more important to me. The existing CD is 26 years old and was murky sounding even back in 1991. HOOK, although an upgrade and further expansion would certainly not be unwelcome, already has an expansion.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2017 - 7:24 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I too would very much welcome another release of this score, perhaps with the same 3-disc treatment that A.I. got. That would be wonderful.

I agree.
If Home Alone got a redone then Hook definitely should get one too.



An expansion of an expansion? Is that where we are now?


Hook's expansion was full of compromises and should definitely be revisited, but ONLY if they find the actual elements from the last reel.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2017 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

An expansion of an expansion? Is that where we are now?

Madness.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2017 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

An expansion of an expansion? Is that where we are now?

We've been there for decades! Star Wars was expanded in 1993 and again in 1997!

More recently, we've seen plenty more. If there's a good reason to expand it, I don't see why not. For instance, if a score has been out of print/hard to find, if additional music is found or was left off of the original release, if much better sounding elements are found, etc.

Home Alone was out of print - new elements were found along with some additional source music, so the rerelease/expansion was done.

The Matrix was expanded years ago, but that expansion was not "complete" - certain people have been clamoring for the missing cues since that release. Other scores that follow that pattern - the old Indiana Jones scores, and E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial (TWICE - we're looking for an expansion of the expansion of the expansion on that one wink)

In the case of Hook, a good amount of the final battle had to be taken from the film stem due to inability to find the source material. If those tapes are found, I'd love to hear the recordings in full, and in clarity.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2017 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

An expansion of an expansion? Is that where we are now?

Madness.


To paraphrase Jor-El from SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE - "(Perhaps) this madness is yours."

To want the music we love to sound as good (and complete) as possible is NOT insane. It's simply wanting more of our favorite composer's cherished music, upgraded when it is truly necessary (in the case of JFK because of when the existing CD was mastered and manufactured, and HOOK because certain elements weren't available at the time). If more cues could be added to HOOK for those who want them, if and when that remastering is ever done, I don't know why you would have a problem with that and call it "mad". Just don't buy it if you're not interested in it.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2017 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

What's missing from Hook? I'm quite content with the expanded version we got, but I don't have intimate knowledge of the score either.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2017 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

An expansion of an expansion? Is that where we are now?

Madness.


To paraphrase Jor-El from SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE - "(Perhaps) this madness is yours."

To want the music we love to sound as good (and complete) as possible is NOT insane. It's simply wanting more of our favorite composer's cherished music, upgraded when it is truly necessary (in the case of JFK because of when the existing CD was mastered and manufactured, and HOOK because certain elements weren't available at the time). If more cues could be added to HOOK for those who want them, if and when that remastering is ever done, I don't know why you would have a problem with that and call it "mad". Just don't buy it if you're not interested in it.


That's fine and dandy, but how many times are people prepared to buy the same thing over and over again? It's not mad, it's insane.

 
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