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 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 4:21 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I've always been fascinated by scores that may use existing classical music, but where the composer has adapted it for film use, and also combines the existing material with his OWN music (that may be either in the same style or more modern).

I'm NOT talking about scores that may have one or two cues where the composer does pastiche -- like Williams' "Exultate Justi" in EMPIRE OF THE SUN. I'm talking about scores where the WHOLE THING is laid out this way. The music moves in and out of original compositions and existing classical music, in and out of pastiche and more modern stylings.

Examples include:

THE MADNESS OF KING GEORGE (Händel & Fenton)
DANGEROUS LIAISONS (various & Fenton)
RESTORATION (Purcell & James Newton Howard)
NOSTRADAMUS (various & Barrington Pheloung)

What are some other examples you can think of?

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 4:28 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

George Auric's Goodbye Again (1961) uses Johannes Brahms' Symphony No.3 in F major, Op.90 - 3rd movement but whether this meets your criteria ...

Mitch

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 4:31 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm not familiar with that, but does the rest of the score revolve around the stylings of that piece somehow or is just a one-off?

I know that some people would like to mention Miklos Rozsa scores here, but for me he doesn't really qualify, because although he may be channeling wonderful pastiche on occasion (like, say, "The Lord's Prayer" in KING OF KINGS), the dramatic score is more Rozsa and less 'organic'. At least as far as I know.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 4:39 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I don't know as I haven't seen the film Goodbye Again and it's some time since I last played the score (album) ... just from memory it's one of those OSTs which sounds so much like its classical routes until the main theme and source cues appear. IMDb lists the Brahms' work, including Sym. 1

As for Miklós Rózsa, you may wish to consider his 1953 score to The Story of Three Loves which utilises Sergei Rachmaninov's Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini, Op.43 throughout.

Again, I've not seen the film but playing the score it sounds like numerous clips from the Rhapsody.

Mitch

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 5:16 AM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

How about Clint Mansell's Black Swan, which incorporates Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 5:16 AM   
 By:   Ny   (Member)

Jerry Fielding's The Gambler, one of my all time favs, which is based around Gustav Mahler's Titan symphony.

The James Caan character plays the symphony on his home stereo in the film, dismissing what the neighbors might think when his bookie remarks on how loud it is. It's use as the basis of the score is a constant reminder of his privileged background, and, with Fielding fore-fronting the piece's more ominous sections, also carries us with him into a spiral of self-destruction. For me this score really belongs in the film, one of the more noticeable and effective I've seen, and I find it hard to imagine it with any other soundscape.

Although none of them were used the Quartet release has three versions of a great rendition of Freres Jacques for the end credits, which was a pastiche of Mahler's own, to quote the wikipedia; "Mahler uses the song, changed from major to minor, thus giving the piece the character of a funeral march. The mode change to minor is not an invention by Mahler, as is often believed, but rather the way this round was sung in the 19th and early 20th century in Austria"

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 5:31 AM   
 By:   Leo Nicols   (Member)

"Portrait of Jennie"......Tiomkin / Debussy ?

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Tony Palmer's Testimony (based on Shostakovich's alleged memoirs) is shot through with music that sounds suspiciously like James Horner's.

And I'm sick of mentioning Escape (to Victory) in which Conti mangles the fifth and seventh symphonies.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 6:41 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

This is actually something I don’t like in film music. I don’t want to hear adaptations of classical music weaved into a score, if I want to hear it I’d rather just listen to the original piece. I find the practice very distracting to listen to regardless of how effective it may be in a film. I tend to skip classical tracks on albums that interrupt the original score as well.

EDIT: One I do like is Jean-Claude Petit’s use of Verdi in his theme from ‘Jean de Florette’. But generally no.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 7:11 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

If you want to get technical, Rozsa's The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes would count. Yes it's his own music, but it's the same idea.

One other I know, only based on the CD, is The Beast With Five Fingers by Steiner, which uses Bach's chaconne from Violin Partita No. 2

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

George Auric's Goodbye Again (1961) uses Johannes Brahms' Symphony No.3 in F major, Op.90 - 3rd movement but whether this meets your criteria ...

Mitch


And a fine, fine score it is. Thor, do yourself a favour and purchase the download. Best few bucks you'll ever invest.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I believe you. I have the Georges Auric compilation on Chandos, and there's a lot of great stuff there. Would love to check out more.

Another one from last year is Philippe Jakko's QUE D'AMOUR. The classical pieces are intertwined with Delerue-ian bittersweetness throughout. A wonderful album.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 7:27 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I've always felt that LOVER'S PRAYER by McNeely would be a contender, but I'm not sure if there is any existing classical music in it. I guess that would fall in the 'pure pastiche' territory instead. However, he DID do this very thing in the "Verdun 1916" episode of YOUNG INDY, where the music revolves around the Chopin. Also in SAMANTHA.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)

isn't there a Desplat score based on the Purcell-theme which Britten used in his Young Person's guide to the Orchestra.
Moonrise Kingdom?

Some of the scenes in Lord of the Ring move in and out from source music back to underscore, the Lament music of the elves, the singing of one of the hobbits. Did you mean that also, Thor?

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Some of the scenes in Lord of the Ring move in and out from source music back to underscore, the Lament music of the elves, the singing of one of the hobbits. Did you mean that also, Thor?

I was thinking more classical music and how an original score relates to that throughout a whole film. I guess this particular thing mostly pops up in period pieces (but not exclusively).

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 9:49 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Sarde's Tess borrows heavily from Brahms Symphony #3 in the primary theme - more than as a whole. And I don't think Babe has been mentioned, with Saint-Saen's organ symphony reworked.

There's a weird patch of Bartok's 2nd (?) piano concerto in Fielding's Alfredo Garcia, but again doesn't sound overall like he's channeling Bartok. He is definitely reworking ideas from Stravinsky's Histoire du Soldat throughout his score for Straw Dogs - so much so that I gave up on listening to the album and just returned to the Stravinsky.

Bruce Broughton integrates Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker throughout Eloise at Christmastime.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   TheFamousEccles   (Member)

Charles Fox's really wonderful score for "Foul Play" integrates several key phrases and melodies from "The Mikado" throughout - and in the climax, the underscoring for the frantic car ride to the opera house meshes and interweaves with an actual performance of "The Mikado", as Fox uses Sullivan's music and motives, and moves them into and throughout the sequence, applying them in different ways, creating 'pop' versions of some of them, and housing it with additional original material written in a similar style - it's really a wonderful, and smartly scored segment - the music is source, commentary, and underscoring all at once. He also uses the opening of "The Mikado" Overture throughout the score as a kind of suspense motif, which works by itself, but also intelligently hints at the movie's conclusion.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 7:12 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)


Bill Conti leans heavily on Tchaikovsky’s Violin Concerto for “The Right Stuff”.
Have a listen to Joshua Bell & the National Youth Orchestra here, round about the 5:30 mark.

https://youtu.be/fKhZP3TdrA8

The Finale of “A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum” (The Chase) is the piece that swung the Oscar for Ken Thorne.

He does an amazing job of interpolating “Comedy Tonight” and “Everybody Ought to Have a Maid” into a stunning Mozart like concerto.

Wolfie would have been proud !

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 11:48 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Bill Conti leans heavily on Tchaikovsky’s Violin Concerto for “The Right Stuff”.

That's more of temp track love than anything (or more likely, executive meddling).

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2015 - 6:50 AM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)

Bill Conti leans heavily on Tchaikovsky’s Violin Concerto for “The Right Stuff”.

That's more of temp track love than anything (or more likely, executive meddling).



Whatever! It’s still what the finished product is based on !



 
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