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 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 2:08 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

If this has been remarked upon, explained or discussed in any film history book, periodical or website, I've never found it. But maybe some of you remarkable cinema scholars are aware of this phenomenon and can even shed some light on it.

The Charles Laughton HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME (1939), directed by William Dieterle, has recently been restored, and I had the pleasure of seeing it projected at this year's TCM Film Festival. And again, the other night, in a broadcast on the network. A BluRay has also just been released.

I don't know if I ever would have spotted this on my own but, some years ago, after I'd loved the film since childhood, a friend astonished me by pointing out to me on video that a couple of the movie's distinguished cast members, Thomas Mitchell and George Tobias, in addition to their main credited roles, fill in uncredited on a few bit parts.

The only other instance of an actor doubling without credit that I'm aware of in a major motion picture is Woody Strode in the 1956 TEN COMMANDMENTS. I think DeMille was doing the actor a favor, but I'll have to check Katherine Orrison's book WRITTEN IN STONE to confirm that. Why Mitchell and Tobias donned the other characters' costumes and make-up for Dieterle, I haven't a clue.

Mandeley? Ray? Anyone?

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 3:21 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

The Blu-ray is released on June 9th. It's long been a favourite of mine, looking forward to the Blu (& the Blu of Dodge City). Has anyone seen the restoration? I'm hoping for the best.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 3:46 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Don't I count as "anyone"?

smile

As I said, I saw the restored print on a big theatre screen at the TCM festival, and again on TCM itself. You won't be disappointed.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 3:46 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

SNAFU

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 3:46 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

SNAFU II

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 6:03 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Yes - George Tobias plays three roles in HUNCHBACK.

Another instance is Donald Stuart, who plays two roles in FOREIGN CORRESPONDENT. He plays a Tower visitor and a ship's purser.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 6:15 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Yes - George Tobias plays three roles in HUNCHBACK.


Maybe that's not so surprising, given that Tobias was billed 17th in his primary role (as "Beggar"). But Thomas Mitchell, billed third as "Clopin," would seem to be more likely to be recognized in a dual role.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Don't I count as "anyone"?

smile


...but...you said bugger all about it, did you smile

I hope it looks good, RKO weren't that great when it came to looking after their masters, so this release came as a pleasant surprise. I wonder what the state of play is with that other RKO Dieterle masterpiece, All That Money Can Buy (aka The Devil & Daniel Webster, but I think that's a slightly cut down version), I'd love to think that it's getting the treatment, as long as there's some decent elements surviving.

Also looking forward to Dodge City, the DVD looked a bit rough, & I understood that it would need an expensive restoration, so I wasn't expecting it at all.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

All I can bug -- er, say is that it looked great to me on the Chinese Theater screen, and it was as magnificently moving as ever.

***

Thanks, Ray, for the info, and for the visuals.

I'd still love to know the "why" behind the HUNCHBACK portrayals. Especially in the Thomas Mitchell bit. It may have made financial sense to use an actor already on the payroll than hire another thespian, but you'd think that using another actor would have spared them the trouble and expense of hiding Mitchell's identity beneath a ton of make-up...

Yes, indeed, Tobias did three bits, hence my reference to "triple" in this thread title. Do we all know what part Thomas Mitchell played, and did you always know it before I posted this thread? As I mentioned, somebody had to draw my attention to it before I realized what was going on, and now it's one of my favorite moments in the film. I love the rare treat of seeing Mitchell flexing actor and characterization muscles -- different voice, different posture, different look, etc. -- that he was rarely if ever called upon to utilize in his other film roles. It makes one reflect on how much theatrical skill went untapped even in those golden age days. As wonderful as all the great character actors were in those movies, they possessed great versatility which they probably could have displayed more often if they were performing in a stage repertory company.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

I spotted both Mitchell and Tobias' multiple roles the first time I saw the picture.

As for ALL THAT MONEY CAN BUY, the extant DVD is the complete version from 35mm albeit with the alternate title THE DEVIL AND DANIEL WEBSTER. My 16mm print has the DANIEL AND THE DEVIL title.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Nobody likes a show-off, Ray. Seriously, I'm not surprised that you beat me to the punch in spotting these guys. Your powers of observation never cease to impress. As much of a know-it-all as I am, when I DON'T know something it's always to you and Manderley that I turn, and obviously this thread is a case in point.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2015 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Every time Stan Taffel and I would sit down and screen a print one of us had gotten in, we would both jump up and yell MAJOR SAM HARRIS whenever the elegant dress extra appeared on the screen.

Remember the bit players!

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2015 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Every time I see Frank Ferguson in an old movie, I yell, "McDOUGAL!"

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2015 - 7:10 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Every time Stan Taffel and I would sit down and screen a print one of us had gotten in, we would both jump up and yell MAJOR SAM HARRIS whenever the elegant dress extra appeared on the screen.

Remember the bit players!


LOL it's a toss-up in the obsession category. Last night I'm watching Humoresque and was sure I spotted Sudden Sam at the party, positively sure. Checked IMDB and lo, not listed. Uncredited? Whatever. You know it's time to call Bellevue when it gets to the point you're seeing Sam Harris when he ain't there.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2015 - 8:03 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Well, I must say I'm impressed with both of my dear old friends, you and Ray, because I've never heard of Sam Harris. My hat is off to you!

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2015 - 4:57 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Preston - you may not have heard of him, but SURELY you've seen him!!

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2015 - 8:31 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Thanks, Ray, but --

I'm afraid that I'm still not sure I recognize his face from the three stills that you've posted here. Is there some place where I can read up on this chap, or at least see more images?

***

After writing the above, I looked him up at IMDB. What an amazing roster is his resume, including a ton of movies I have indeed seen -- CITIZEN KANE, anyone? -- proving the truth of your most recent post. (Is that gambling still from MR. LUCKY, one of my favorite movies?)

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2015 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Can't forget the Sam Harris of chorus boys either, Bert May, eh Ray? big grin

Every time I see Frank Ferguson in an old movie, I yell, "McDOUGAL!"

Oh no me too LOL!

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2015 - 5:16 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Can't forget the Sam Harris of chorus boys either, Bert May, eh Ray? big grin

Every time I see Frank Ferguson in an old movie, I yell, "McDOUGAL!"

Oh no me too LOL!


The only other Sam Harris I know is Cohan's partner.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2015 - 5:18 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

(Is that gambling still from MR. LUCKY, one of my favorite movies?)

No, I think that's a Columbia still. Lighting and makeup looks like Columbia. Not sure. I cropped that still a few years ago. Probably GILDA.

And MR. LUCKY is one of my favorites and the first Cary Grant movie I saw.

 
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