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 Posted:   May 15, 2015 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   madmovyman   (Member)

1. Is Blu-Ray better than dvd or is it just hype?

2. Will there be a bigger and better laser phenomenon or should I just go ahead and buy a Blu-Ray player?



3. Will all my dvds play on a Blu-Ray player even though formatted for a red laser dvd player?

4. Are all Blu-Ray players region free?

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2015 - 6:39 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

1. Is Blu-Ray better than dvd or is it just hype?

Blu-ray quality is better than DVD simply because it allows more data to be stored on it and your video will have a higher resolution. But make sure your tv can actually play high definition 1080p else you wont notice the difference.

As you can see below, DVD is a lot smaller than blu-ray (blu-ray is 1080p)



That does not mean all blu-rays automatically have better picture quality; there are releases that simply port an existing dvd transfer and so there is no quality improvement. You are best to read reviews to make sure it is in fact 1080p transfer.

2. Will there be a bigger and better laser phenomenon or should I just go ahead and buy a Blu-Ray player?

As you can see in the above picture, there is a new format "4K" which has the most detail and has surpassed blu-ray's. But few people own a tv or player that can handle 4K. And so far few movies have had a 4K version released. Give it another 5 years.

3. Will all my dvds play on a Blu-Ray player even though formatted for a red laser dvd player?

Yes. To my knowledge any blu-ray player can play dvds (and cds) by default.

4. Are all Blu-Ray players region free?

No. Blu-rays have 3 region codes; A (US), B (Europe, Australia), C (Asia). Though a lot of blu-rays are in fact region-free, some of them are still locked so you can check sites like blu-ray.com to make sure if a foreign release is locked or not.

You can find players that are region free, or have been hacked to be region free. I own the latter and I have to change the region code via the player's settings.

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2015 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   madmovyman   (Member)

Thanks Francis. My confusion has been reduced by 70%.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2015 - 6:51 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

You do know that we are way - way - way past the initial roll out of Blu-Ray and any questions of "hype" as you say it, over DVD. It is scientific fact, Blu Ray is better.

The Blu Ray Disc Association have finally nailed down the specs on 4K / UHD BluRay, which will have a greatly expanded color range, and even greater resolution. So that will roll out later this year sometime.

Depending on your patience, and/or, your willingness to spend money either wait or buy the standard blu ray. Getting standard blu ray now is pretty cheap, less than $100 in most cases. If you wait for the next generation it would be at least several months or longer before it hits a store, and the initial cost is sure to be high. If I were you I would go ahead and spring for the Blu Ray and get the next generation a year or so down the road when the price comes down.

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2015 - 7:12 AM   
 By:   madmovyman   (Member)

...go ahead and spring for the Blu Ray and get the next generation a year or so down the road when the price comes down.

Thanks Ado. I think I will buy a Samsung Blu-ray player for 69.00 now.

I only have a few titles on Blu-ray: Journey to the Center of the Earth, Bye Bye Birdie and The Great Race. But, I have a large collection of dvds and can't really afford to upgrade all of them.

There are about 5 titles that I'm looking to buy, each with only a few dollars difference between dvd and Blu-ray. Since I do want the best picture possible, I'll probably spring for the higher end format.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2015 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

...go ahead and spring for the Blu Ray and get the next generation a year or so down the road when the price comes down.

Thanks Ado. I think I will buy a Samsung Blu-ray player for 69.00 now.

I only have a few titles on Blu-ray: Journey to the Center of the Earth, Bye Bye Birdie and The Great Race. But, I have a large collection of dvds and can't really afford to upgrade all of them.

There are about 5 titles that I'm looking to buy, each with only a few dollars difference between dvd and Blu-ray. Since I do want the best picture possible, I'll probably spring for the higher end format.



Sounds perfectly sensible to me. I still have quite a few DVD's, depending on the player, there is some upscaling that can somewhat improve DVD quality on the Blu Ray player. I agree with your idea too, for your favorite movies, or just some movies that look amazing on BluRay - go ahead and spoil yourself, some amazing Blu Ray - 2001, Lawrence of Arabia, Blade Runner - if you are into that stuff, those movies are astounding on Blu Ray.

The rest of your library, you can just wait a while, and replace that stuff most important to you when you are ready. There is a good bit of stuff that still has to be remastered and cleaned up out there in the catalog as well.

Enjoy your new Samsung player. I am sure that you will.

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2015 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

It's a crap shoot. There isn't even a consensus on what an HD transfer should look like. Many purest love film grain and want it on their Blu Ray. I hate it personally. (BSG TNS, Dare Devil) Though I am no fan of DNR'ing something to the point it looks like a cartoon either. (Star Trek 4) On the other hand I absolutely love (for the most part) Disney's animated remasters, they are crisp, clean and colorful.

Some films are simply unscaled or not cleaned up at all. This means tiny specs on film almost unseen on a DVD now look like a snow blizzard on a BluRay. So in fact the DVD looks better than the BluRay version. (Example: Secret Of NIMH)

Ironically now that we have super clean HD technology many filmmakers go out of their way in post production to make their films look over saturated and grainy on purpose. It's no different than watching a crappy YouTube video on your HD system. No BluRay player is going to make those pictures look better.

So the answer is yes and no. Depending on your preferences and titles you like to watch.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2015 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

The way to go is get a blu ray player.

Play the best blu ray titles you love with good transfers, play your DVD's that you still like.
I really do not have a problem with some DNR, I had no problem with Star Trek IV, people complain about it, but it looks so much better, the great deep focus lens work, you can finally see.

Same for ST TMP, it looks amazing in the original cut blu ray.

Yes, there are some movies that have terrible transfers like Secret of Nimh, it should not have been transferred at all, at least till they try a little harder. For that, yeah, you can play your DVD copy till it gets an improved master. For years the studios got away with crappy transfers for home video because they were VHS for a long time, so really no one could tell how bad they were, some studios have barely upgraded the DVD titles from that. The upgrade of studio catalog costs them a lot of money, but then, they can make a lot of money too. I think that the TNG upgrade was pretty expensive, but a resounding success, the remasters look good, and they have sold really well. The show looks brand new.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2015 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

Blu-ray is a gigantic upgrade from DVDs overall. Some are duds, but most look better than DVDs by a huge margin.

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2015 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   madmovyman   (Member)

Still waiting for the Green-ray and 3-D releases...

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2015 - 11:27 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

It's a crap shoot. There isn't even a consensus on what an HD transfer should look like. Many purest love film grain and want it on their Blu Ray. I hate it personally. (BSG TNS, Dare Devil) Though I am no fan of DNR'ing something to the point it looks like a cartoon either. (Star Trek 4) On the other hand I absolutely love (for the most part) Disney's animated remasters, they are crisp, clean and colorful.

I like film grain and am only in favor of DNR only when there is actual noise to remove. So far I've sold over 100 DVDs and upgraded them to their blu-ray counterparts and in all cases the transfers have more detail, better color and overall it's like re-discovering a movie when you get to watch it in HD. Some of these I thought I'd never get to experience this way, a lot of cult movies or forgetten low budget genre gems are being treated like royalty by the blu-ray specialty labels and that is a welcome addition to the otherwise familiar catalogue of classic titles.


Some films are simply unscaled or not cleaned up at all. This means tiny specs on film almost unseen on a DVD now look like a snow blizzard on a BluRay. So in fact the DVD looks better than the BluRay version. (Example: Secret Of NIMH)


I haven't seen NIMH but I am not bothered by the occasional spec, what you will see with blu-ray is when different film stock is used or processed differently, you will be able to tell for some shots. That adds to the charm. Same goes for some special effects which in HD clarity often don't hold up all that well. Those that do hold up for older movies, credit to the people who got it right. What I am saying is I'll gladly take the occasional spec if it means I'm getting more detail in the picture. So far the only movie where I preferred the DVD was the 90s version of Night of The Living Dead, but that had nothing to do with quality issues and more with different versions of the movie.

So overall for me where HD is available and depending on the movie, I'll gladly upgrade it.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2015 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Still waiting for the Green-ray and 3-D releases...



I have a full HD 3D beamer and I have enjoyed lots of 3D movies on blu-ray; from Prometheus, Dredd, ... to The Creature from the Black Lagoon. I was amazed at how sharp and how effective the 3D looked in Creature and I can highly recommend the Universal classic monsters set.

But again, to be able to watch the 3D you need a blu-ray player that supports it, a tv or beamer that can play it, and a HDMI cable (version 1.4) that can transfer the signal. And of course a pair of 3D glasses. big grin

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2015 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Ironically now that we have super clean HD technology many filmmakers go out of their way in post production to make their films look over saturated and grainy on purpose. It's no different than watching a crappy YouTube video on your HD system. No BluRay player is going to make those pictures look better.

So the answer is yes and no. Depending on your preferences and titles you like to watch.


Excellent points, Solium, thanks!
Is it just me or do some of the theatrical releases lose their graininess when released on DVD or Blu-Ray? I don't have a large collection of either type, but I often enjoy home viewing even more than the theater due to the graininess and greeny-ness of the latter.

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2015 - 3:13 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Depending on your player the upscaling is usually very good from a DVD such that upgrading to a blu ray of something you don't have is rarely worth it in my opinion. If you are considering upgrading to the blu-ray of something then you should absolutely read reviews to find out if it looks any better (is a completely new and very nice looking transfer, or not).

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2015 - 9:43 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

I do like the irony in the title, because Green-Ray would be worse in quality than Blu-Ray.

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2015 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   Warunsun   (Member)

The studios are currently cutting back on releases in both DVD and Blu-Ray. Given this stance I highly doubt any new technology is going to be introduced soon. I would switch to Blu-Ray and support it for newer titles. Most Blu-Ray players also support DVD playback. All this talk of Ultra HD is blowing smoke. Many folks still haven't bothered to upgrade from DVD so I don't think that the real consumers out there care at all between 3840x2160 resolution and 1920x1080 resolution. In fact I bet a lot of them can't even see the difference given the generally poor TV equipment being sold in US stores and the large number of them without updated prescription eyeglasses.

Last month my father's bedroom TV failed and I went with him to the local stores. Despite there being 3 or 4 Full HD television in two different store advertisements none of them were in stock at a reasonable size and price. However, tons of 1280x720 TVs were available. He ended up getting one and he says he can't tell the difference between the 1920x1080 one he had and the new one at the lower resolution. I suspect that is very typical. smile

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2015 - 7:07 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

In fact I bet a lot of them can't even see the difference given the generally poor TV equipment being sold in US stores and the large number of them without updated prescription eyeglasses.

Last month my father's bedroom TV failed and I went with him to the local stores. Despite there being 3 or 4 Full HD television in two different store advertisements none of them were in stock at a reasonable size and price. However, tons of 1280x720 TVs were available. He ended up getting one and he says he can't tell the difference between the 1920x1080 one he had and the new one at the lower resolution. I suspect that is very typical. smile


I've always found it odd that US television was behind in the whole HD upgrade, I remember when they'd use to show US news footage on Belgian channels the source would look horrible. I would say that in most European countries people own at least a 720 HD ready TV but most have a full HD TV. This is not for movies or channels which broadcast in HD, but because most sports channels over here are subscription based and automatically have the HD standard. Some telecom operators over here don't even provide analogue signal anymore.

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2015 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

In fact I bet a lot of them can't even see the difference given the generally poor TV equipment being sold in US stores and the large number of them without updated prescription eyeglasses.


This is actually a very good point. Prescription glasses cost a mint and many go years without updating their glasses or simply can't afford them period. It's just another thing some cut back on in an ever financially tight era.

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2015 - 10:59 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

As far as Blu goes, I'm not very up to snuff on the tech.

Are there any players that do NOT require firmware updates?
For me, this has been the biggest obstacle to getting one.
I'm sort of opposed to having every last thing in my house wired to the internet. Like the tail wagging the dog sort of thing.
I want to be able to pop a movie in and watch it without it being dependent on a net connection.
(Just call me Ned Ludd. big grin)

Can anyone clarify please?

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2015 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

As far as Blu goes, I'm not very up to snuff on the tech.

Are there any players that do NOT require firmware updates?
For me, this has been the biggest obstacle to getting one.
I'm sort of opposed to having every last thing in my house wired to the internet. Like the tail wagging the dog sort of thing.
I want to be able to pop a movie in and watch it without it being dependent on a net connection.
(Just call me Ned Ludd. big grin)

Can anyone clarify please?


As far as I know there isn't any title you need to be online to be able to play; some of the interactive features perhaps but who uses these? I usually just watch the movie and the extras that are on the disc. I think only the first blu-ray players, the older models may need firmware updates, but most current players can play anything. When you buy a blu-ray player, you don't expect to need to change the firmware.

 
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