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 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

[EDIT: Based on interest from other people's posts, I decided to get a bit more specific and just updated this to reflect unreleased TV credits included on IMDb; hopefully people can help me iron them out.]

I know Thor has basically been asking this question for a while about Williams (yes, and Elfman and Goldenthal) but as you all know by now Goldsmith is my favorite composer, so I have to ask any label representatives who are feeling generous with their answers: should we Goldsmith nuts continue to hold out hope for any brand new (ie. previously unreleased) Goldsmith scores to come out, or are the surviving ones pretty much exhausted and we can only expect expansions from this point onwards?

NOTE: I'm not really asking about new recordings of "lost" scores, because it's been indicated that the Prometheus/Tadlow series is going to be a continuing one and James Fitzpatrick himself has expressed interest in recording Goldsmith's 1st and 3rd feature scores (Black Patch and Face of a Fugitive to release on his own Tadlow label). So I know we very likely have more goodies to hope for in that arena. The Salamander was so good and I can't wait to see if things like Shamus and Pursuit can be tackled too, or perhaps some of his lost TV music which would be cheaper to record because the orchestras written for were smaller. Maybe the most exciting thing would be a complete (first) recording of the unused score for Babe (the wonderful 90s talking pig film, not the 70s TV movie), which Dan Goldwasser confirmed to exist by posting a picture of the score sheets.

But in terms of original film recording premieres, those have (understandably) dwindled in recent years, with the last one being Varese's release of The List of Adrian Messenger well over a year ago. These are the remaining totally unreleased Goldsmith scores, and I was hoping that if any film music album producers here had information that they were lost, they could share it here so that we know to stop pining for them:

Black Patch (Lukas just recently confirmed this is lost)

Face of a Fugitive (almost certainly ditto, though no specific confirmation has been made)

Studio One in Hollywood (1 episode?)

Climax (at least 9 episodes?)

Peck's Bad Girl / For Better or Worse (TV series, unknown number of episodes)

Perry Mason (at least two episodes, though one of them was released on Early Years Vol. 1)

The Lineup (ditto)

Playhouse 90 (at least 10 episodes?)

Full Circle / Pete & Gladys (TV series credited on IMDb -- maybe just the theme?)

Rawhide / Wagon Train (at least one episode each)

General Electric Theater (4 episodes or more)

Thriller (whole bunch of episodes obviously, but they may only exist as M&E tracks)

Lilies of the Field (was the LP a different recording from the film one? If so, the film version is unreleased.)

The General with the Cockeyed Id (this actually has a "promo" LP and bootleg CD, but not sure if the original tapes are in good enough condition for an official release)

Breaking Point (2 episodes of TV show?)

Chrysler Theater (unknown number of episodes)

Kraft Mystery Theater (1 episode titled "Shadow of a Man"?)

Take Her, She's Mine (claimed to have unusable tapes in the notes to Varese's Goldsmith@Fox Box, but much more of scores like Von Ryan's Express and Shock Treatment were released later using superior restoration technology, so maybe the situation has changed?)

The Legend of Jessie James (unknown number of episodes of TV show)

The Trouble With Angels (LP was apparently a different recording from the film recording, which remains completely unreleased)

Gunsmoke (6 episodes or possibly more)

Hour of the Gun (LP was a different recording from the film version which is totally unreleased and declared "lost" according to Doug Fake some time back, leading to the complete re-recording which inaugurated the Prometheus/Tadlow Goldsmith series)

Prudence and the Chief (TV pilot)

Bracken's World (one episode of TV series entitled "A Score Without Strings")

Do Not Fold, Spindle, or Mutilate

Lights Out (TV pilot)

Crawlspace

The Last Run (LP was a different recording from the film version which is totally unreleased and declared "lost" according to Lukas Kendall some time back...but things change)

The Man

Pursuit (previously confirmed lost by Lukas Kendall)

Shamus (ditto)

The Waltons (ditto, 8 episodes aside from The Homecoming pilot film -- sans Walton main theme -- which Lukas released on FSM)

Barnaby Jones (music for one episode of this has been "floating around"; I wonder if decent tapes survive for an official release and perhaps more importantly, whether there's any other surviving Goldsmith material)

The Don Is Dead

Indict and Convict

Archer (one episode of TV series entitled "Shades of Blue")

Medical Story (unknown number of episodes)

The Hemingway Play (series title theme only?)

QB VII (original LP was a separate recording from the film recording, which is reportedly lost hence the complete Tadlow reconstruction -- but I hope the unreleased film recording turns up some day)

The Reincarnation of Peter Proud (while there is an unmentionable, Doug Fake said this in a post ten years ago, which I hope has changed: ""While poor cassette dubs and CDRs abound, true master elements for the majority of this score remain missing. Though a license can probably be negotiated for the album rights, the recording sessions were done here. So AFM fees also still apply, if the actual session masters can be located. There were separate orchestral sessions, piano sessions and electronic sessions. Where everything ended up is a mystery. We've found a small part of them but that's it so far. We'll keep our eyes peeled...")

MacArthur (I think the LP was a re-recording so that film recording is unreleased?)

The Lonely Guy (technically two cues were released on LP only)

Wall Street rejected score (was this recorded or did he just start writing it?)

Brotherhood of the Gun, aka Hollister (technically a Joel Goldsmith score with a Jerry Goldsmith theme)

H.E.L.P. (similar situation; Jerry only contributed a main title)

The Public Eye rejected score (Mike Ross-Trevor confirmed this was recorded, but no one else has ever chimed in about it so it's a mystery)

Babe rejected score (some records indicate this was recorded in Australia, but other authorities say no...so probably unlikely except as a new recording)

Additionally, since Prometheus's "Jerry Goldsmith: The Early Years" had a "Volume 1" in the title, presumably there is scattered surviving early TV work (and perhaps radio work?) of his still to be restored and officially released if another label takes up the baton, but perhaps a lack of elements was part of the reason we never saw a Volume 2.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   jeff1   (Member)

There's also that infamous Bracken's World episode from 1970 - "A Score Without Strings"

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

The CBS collection archieve online shows theh have many (probably even more) of the "Gunsmoke" series scores, for which Jerry did six episodes.
http://www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt8x0nd51b/dsc/?query=Gunsmoke&dsc.position=2501#ref8995


They also have, unrelated to the topic, another excellent score I'd love to own one day: "Darker Than Amber" (John Parker).

 
 
 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

STORIA DI UNA DON......oh, wait.

I know that if you branch out into tv stuff, like I've done with Williams, there's an even bigger jungle of unreleased Goldsmith things out there than the feature films you list in your post.

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Hollister!!!

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

There's a ton of TV stuff including Goldsmith's incredible Thriller scores. I had always assumed that The Public Eye was not recorded but several sources have indicated that it was and there's an early trailer for the film on youtube that I believe gives you a taste of the score. It features some of Goldsmith's trademark electronic sounds but seems potentially very interesting and I would love to see it surface some day.
I think you might see a few of these other things emerge at some point...

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Hollister is another name for Brotherhood of the Gun (will add to my main post for clarity). Goldsmith only wrote the main theme (but I think recorded several alternate versions of it). The score proper was written by his son Joel. I'm sure we'll see this at some point, but it's not really a Jerry Goldsmith score.

Re: to Thor: Yeah, I tried to hit the main TV series but I'd love it if someone did a "Goldsmith TV Jungle" thread like Williams got...and I hope Story of a Woman comes out for both of us! (Hoping the original tracks survive, honestly.)

I'll add Bracken's World and Gunsmoke -- thanks jeff1 and Justin.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

There's a ton of TV stuff including Goldsmith's incredible Thriller scores. I had always assumed that The Public Eye was not recorded but several sources have indicated that it was and there's an early trailer for the film on youtube that I believe gives you a taste of the score. It features some of Goldsmith's trademark electronic sounds but seems potentially very interesting and I would love to see it surface some day.
I think you might see a few of these other things emerge at some point...


Thanks for the reply Jeff -- you're obviously in a good position to know about a lot of these, and I appreciate the hope you've extended to us fellow Goldsmith nuts. As for Thriller, I will add it but I feared that all that survived was M&E tracks...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Are the following "composer" entries for Goldsmith bogus I assume?

The Bogie Man (1992)
Dusty (1983)
The Hemingway Play (1976)
Medical Story (1975) -- he only scored the TV movie/pilot right, not the show? Did Prometheus put out all of his contribution? And did he really score 16 episodes of Police Story?
Adams of Eagle Lake (1975)
The Culpepper Cattle Co. (1972) -- pretty sure I remember this one is fake
Lights Out (1972)
Prudence and the Chief (1970) -- actually I think I remember this one IS real so I should add it to the list?
The Gambler, The Nun, and The Radio (1960) -- I've never heard of this anyway
The Clay of Kings (1953) -- TV movie that far back must be bogus right?

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 3:31 PM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

The Culpepper Cattle Co. (1972) -- They just reused Flim Flam Man in this.

I wish some one would put out the music Goldsmith did for Gunsmoke, Have Gun, Will Travel and Rawhide. The Rawhide episode sounds very much like Rio Conchos.

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 3:32 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

And did he really score 16 episodes of Police Story?

Here are some of the episodes IMDb lists; I put an asterix by each one I was able to confirm with youtube loads of episodes (when I clicked to show the other eleven, it didn't show them):

Explosion * ("Music and Theme by")
Across the Line * ("Music and Theme by")
The Gamble * ("Musco by")
Chief * ("Music by")
Fingerprint * ("Music by")


I suspect the rest are correct. I've been trying, but I can't find episodes of "Medical Story", so no verification as of yet.

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 4:16 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

If you think about it though it's astonishing how much of Goldsmith's filmography HAS been released. For someone so prolific, the fact that the vast majority of his work is out on CD is truly a tribute to his appeal to collectors and to the labels that dedicate themselves to digging up his music and restoring it. I remember looking over that list of movies 20 or 30 years ago and it being a real pipe dream to think that even half of it would ever be put out. But I would still like it all! smile

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 4:19 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

There's a ton of TV stuff including Goldsmith's incredible Thriller scores. I had always assumed that The Public Eye was not recorded but several sources have indicated that it was and there's an early trailer for the film on youtube that I believe gives you a taste of the score. It features some of Goldsmith's trademark electronic sounds but seems potentially very interesting and I would love to see it surface some day.
I think you might see a few of these other things emerge at some point...


Do you have a link to the trailer?

All I could find was this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq3cjZPwjCg

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

There's also radio dramas he did, as well as the children's audio book he scored (which he mentioned in a video interview; I don't recall if he named it).

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

If you think about it though it's astonishing how much of Goldsmith's filmography HAS been released. For someone so prolific, the fact that the vast majority of his work is out on CD is truly a tribute to his appeal to collectors and to the labels that dedicate themselves to digging up his music and restoring it. I remember looking over that list of movies 20 or 30 years ago and it being a real pipe dream to think that even half of it would ever be put out. But I would still like it all! smile

Agreed on all counts!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

The Culpepper Cattle Co. (1972) -- They just reused Flim Flam Man in this.

I wish some one would put out the music Goldsmith did for Gunsmoke, Have Gun, Will Travel and Rawhide. The Rawhide episode sounds very much like Rio Conchos.





I'd have thought a CD of new re-recordings of Goldmith's western TV scores for Rawhide, Gunsmoke and Have Gun, Will Travel would sell very well. Wouldn't it have at least as much sales potential as the re-recording of the obscure Salamander?

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 9:16 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

There's a ton of TV stuff including Goldsmith's incredible Thriller scores. I had always assumed that The Public Eye was not recorded but several sources have indicated that it was and there's an early trailer for the film on youtube that I believe gives you a taste of the score. It features some of Goldsmith's trademark electronic sounds but seems potentially very interesting and I would love to see it surface some day.
I think you might see a few of these other things emerge at some point...


Do you have a link to the trailer?

All I could find was this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq3cjZPwjCg


That's probably the one he was talking about, it being I think the only trailer The Public Eye got, but this was an era at Universal where (it seemed like) so many trailers were done as original pieces.

I remember really liking this movie, and Isham's score, despite its repetitiveness.

 
 
 Posted:   May 7, 2015 - 11:54 PM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

Are the following "composer" entries for Goldsmith bogus I assume?

The Bogie Man (1992)
Dusty (1983)
The Hemingway Play (1976)
Medical Story (1975) -- he only scored the TV movie/pilot right, not the show? Did Prometheus put out all of his contribution? And did he really score 16 episodes of Police Story?
Adams of Eagle Lake (1975)
The Culpepper Cattle Co. (1972) -- pretty sure I remember this one is fake
Lights Out (1972)
Prudence and the Chief (1970) -- actually I think I remember this one IS real so I should add it to the list?
The Gambler, The Nun, and The Radio (1960) -- I've never heard of this anyway
The Clay of Kings (1953) -- TV movie that far back must be bogus right?

Yavar


Dusty was a TV movie which is super obscure, but it's supposed to have a Goldsmith score. The Hemingway Play was a PBS series that Goldsmith did the title theme to. Medical Story - he only did the theme to the pilot, but then did episodes of the series. Police Story - he only did the pilot TV movie, but his music was re-recorded for some episodes. That stuff is on the CD. Light Out - he did the pilot. Adams of Eagle Lake - only the pilot TV Movie "Winterkill". Culpepper Cattle Co. - "http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=51930&forumID=1&archive=0". Prudence and the Chief - TV pilot by Goldsmith in 1970. This is all from notes I made over the years, accuracy is unsubstantiated.

 
 
 Posted:   May 8, 2015 - 12:29 AM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)

[EDIT: Based on interest from other people's posts, I decided to get a bit more specific and just updated this to reflect unreleased TV credits included on IMDb; hopefully people can help me iron them out.]

I know Thor has basically been asking this question for a while about Williams (yes, and Elfman and Goldenthal) but as you all know by now Goldsmith is my favorite composer, so I have to ask any label representatives who are feeling generous with their answers: should we Goldsmith nuts continue to hold out hope for any brand new (ie. previously unreleased) Goldsmith scores to come out, or are the surviving ones pretty much exhausted and we can only expect expansions from this point onwards?

Yavar




What about Chinatown and Damnation Alley?
There are still unreleased in their original recording forms.

 
 
 Posted:   May 8, 2015 - 12:31 AM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)

About the famous Rawhide score:
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=107675

 
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