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 Posted:   May 5, 2015 - 6:59 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

A lot to agree with here and some things to violently disagree with here (While I think the new TRUE GRIT is a fine film, Kim Darby's Mattie Ross is far and away the better performance). I LOVE all types of Western scores both the dark and gritty and the Aaron Copland "Americana" type.

I'm puzzled by one thing though:
Alfred Newman -- How the West Was Won is an AWESOME dark western theme

In what universe is HTWWW a "dark" theme? It is not only one of the most exciting, rousing Western Themes of all time, it's one of the most energetic pulse-pounding movie curtain openers EVER. You've got a really different definition of "dark" than I have. LAWMAN is dark, CHATO's LAND is dark. HOW THE WEST WAS WON? no, no, and NO.

There's some dark music in the score of course. The opening of "The River Pirates" theme comes to mind, but the main theme? No way.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2015 - 11:14 PM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

The Glenn Ford film means nothing to me (never seen it or heard the score).

Guess that's why "The Thing" has Chickenhearted on ignore ... he doesn't care for vintage cinema. smile


Ha ha, no, I haven't got him on ignore. I like Dragon53's movie news posts, and they just get blurred by the relentless plethora of Chickenhearted threads, also in capital letters with the film names. But as the ignore function doesn't filter the entire threads, there was no point using it.

I like some vintage cinema (1950s or earlier), but probably not a great deal. Not to say that I dislike it, but it's just not something I tend to have any desire to watch unless it's a classic or big epic (and even then I might not like it, but at least I made an attempt to investigate those ones). In my DVD collection, apart from all the Hammer Horrors and some Vincent Price horrors, the oldest films that I own are King Kong, Ben Hur and Spartacus. Everything else seems to be 1960s onwards.

The Western genre was one of the few genres that I avidly disliked. All that John Wayne stuff, and the old Wild West, and cowboys and indians etc., doesn't float my boat at all. It wasn't until I discovered the Clint Eastwood "Dollars trilogy" that I found I really liked that particular style, and branched out from there into many more Spaghetti Westerns, and a few of the other subsequent non-Italian violent Westerns.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2015 - 11:57 PM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

Some great replies from people, you have been busy.

Whilst my original post was looking more for the Spaghetti Western sound outside of the Italian genre, there's a few titles I'm familiar with that are relevant suggestions. I'll check back in later with a more detailed reply when I've had a chance to listen to samples of some suggestions . I even own a few titles mentioned, so I'll re-listen to those CDs later as well and see if they are relevant to this topic, and then that will give an idea of how I view the description "dark, gritty, brooding, etc."

But seeing as How The West Was Won stirred up a small debate, I did give that a brief listen through each track on YouTube just now to see what it sounded like, and I'll say that it doesn't meet my criteria at all. To me, that is old fashioned, and I would describe it as more of a Golden Age romantic melodrama, with a light and jaunty flavour. But definitely not a "dark" score to my ears.

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2015 - 12:12 AM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

or the old glenn ford one?


Here, Bill C, this is the George Duning original:




The "old Glenn Ford one" is one of the great western scores, minimalist, eloquent and way western.

The old LP is now available as a burn-on-demand CD-R from amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IDQAYJA/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&colid=24EYTV30Y71EB&coliid=I73OPWB7O53GN&me=

 
 Posted:   May 6, 2015 - 12:24 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Hey, in my original post I made clear I didn't think HTWWW fit overall, but I do find the main theme to be pretty intense and serious, certainly not jaunty. That's why I recommended The Bravados as a much darker score.

If you actually want a spaghetti western sound for non-Italian movies, I'd recommend Ken Thorne's Hannie Caulder (Good British western) and Dominic Frontiere's Barquero...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2015 - 12:41 AM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

Regarding the original 3:10 TO YUMA (1957):

1957 film: Both film and score are far superior to the laughably bad 2007 remake. Beltrami's score is enjoyable ... Duning's score is a masterpiece. There's no comparison in the visuals ... Crowe does a reasonable version of Ford's role ... but Bale is a complete waste of space (you can feel the emotions of Van Heflin ... with Bale you have to try not laugh) and the action hero ending makes this remake one of the worst I've been unfortunate to watch.


Quoted for truth and accuracy.

The score is probably the best thing about the remake, but it isn't good enough.

 
 Posted:   May 6, 2015 - 1:33 AM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

I've just sampled a suite of George Duning's 3:10 to Yuma score on YouTube.

It's not the same style of music as Beltrami's.

So saying one is better than the other isn't really very helpful, since different people on here are going to prefer different styles of music. The original is perhaps more suited to Golden Age fans. It sounded OK to me, nothing wrong with it at all, just not my preference. I think Beltrami's score is better, but that's just down to my taste in music styles.

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2015 - 3:03 AM   
 By:   mulan98   (Member)

COWBOYS VS ALIENS. A dodgy movie admittedly but Harry Gregson-Williams score is appropriately off key and effective. There's an especially good Main Title.

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2015 - 3:36 AM   
 By:   Cricket853   (Member)

For that Spaghetti-Western sound, try Alan Silvestri's "The Quick and the Dead". And for a dark, action music, Fred Karlin's "The Stalking Moon". Quite satisfying.

 
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