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Just listened to the fantastic David Newman score for Ice Age part 1. The score is great, highly energetic, has memorable themes and also works fantastic in the film.
Does anyone know if the producers or the directors weren`t happy with Newman`s approach or if it was a question of schedule difficulties?
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Or it could be that they had a David Newman budget for music on the first movie and a John Powell budget on the second (and third and fourth).
I reckon they got more money to make the sequels and were willing to spend more money.
I'm not trying to disrespect David Newman work BTW
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Or it could be that they had a David Newman budget for music on the first movie and a John Powell budget on the second (and third and fourth).
I reckon they got more money to make the sequels and were willing to spend more money.
I'm not trying to disrespect David Newman work BTW
Don`t know about that. I mean in the early 2000s Newman scored some very big budget movies like Scooby Doo and 102 Dalmatians. I doubt that he was "cheaper" than Powell.
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Newman's score, to me, is a huge disappointment. Aisde from that great opening cue (which the sound and ideas didn't seem to make it into any other cue afterward) and some okay bit here and there, it's neither striking nor remarkable. I can't even recall any theme, aside from that opening cue.
If he came back and did more of that, I'd say no thanks. There are plenty of composers out there looking for a shot who can go the extra mile.
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Or it could be that they had a David Newman budget for music on the first movie and a John Powell budget on the second (and third and fourth).
I reckon they got more money to make the sequels and were willing to spend more money.
I'm not trying to disrespect David Newman work BTW
Don`t know about that. I mean in the early 2000s Newman scored some very big budget movies like Scooby Doo and 102 Dalmatians. I doubt that he was "cheaper" than Powell.
Well the second Ice Age movie came out in 2006 by that time Powell had scored two of the Bourne movies, Mr. & Mrs. Smith, Shrek and The Italian Job. David Newman did another Scooby Doo some Eddie Murphy comedies and Serenity. So yes I think John Powell was more expensive than David Newman.
I think John Powell was and is a higher profile name than David Newman
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Or it could be that they had a David Newman budget for music on the first movie and a John Powell budget on the second (and third and fourth).
I reckon they got more money to make the sequels and were willing to spend more money.
I'm not trying to disrespect David Newman work BTW
Don`t know about that. I mean in the early 2000s Newman scored some very big budget movies like Scooby Doo and 102 Dalmatians. I doubt that he was "cheaper" than Powell.
Well the second Ice Age movie came out in 2006 by that time Powell had scored two of the Bourne movies, Mr. & Mrs. Smith, Shrek and The Italian Job. David Newman did another Scooby Doo some Eddie Murphy comedies and Serenity. So yes I think John Powell was more expensive than David Newman.
Most of the Newman films you are talking about are big budget a-pictures. How do you know that Serenity was a smaller picture than Mr. & Mrs. Smith? I can`t imagine that Newman was payed less than Powell. Besides, I can`t imagine that say € 50.000,- more ore less really was the reason not to hire Newman for Ice Age 2.
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Newman's score, to me, is a huge disappointment. Aisde from that great opening cue (which the sound and ideas didn't seem to make it into any other cue afterward) and some okay bit here and there, it's neither striking nor remarkable. I can't even recall any theme, aside from that opening cue.
If he came back and did more of that, I'd say no thanks. There are plenty of composers out there looking for a shot who can go the extra mile.
You must have heard a different score than I have. I think Newman`s music is very powerful. Besides, I can hum his themes immediately. And you`re right, the opening cue is marvellous.
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Newman's score, to me, is a huge disappointment. Aisde from that great opening cue (which the sound and ideas didn't seem to make it into any other cue afterward) and some okay bit here and there, it's neither striking nor remarkable. I can't even recall any theme, aside from that opening cue.
If he came back and did more of that, I'd say no thanks. There are plenty of composers out there looking for a shot who can go the extra mile.
I agree, totally forgettable other than one or two particular scenes. Powell blows it out of the water, which he always does with his animation scores.
Let me put it this way: we agree to disagree 
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Most of the Newman films you are talking about are big budget a-pictures. How do you know that Serenity was a smaller picture than Mr. & Mrs. Smith? I can`t imagine that Newman was payed less than Powell. Besides, I can`t imagine that say € 50.000,- more ore less really was the reason not to hire Newman for Ice Age 2.
Just looking at the box-office results on IMDB you can see Mr. and Mrs. Smith is on a different level than say a Daddy Day Care or Serenity. The Smiths had a bigger budget, made more money and opened on more screens.
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Most of the Newman films you are talking about are big budget a-pictures. How do you know that Serenity was a smaller picture than Mr. & Mrs. Smith? I can`t imagine that Newman was payed less than Powell. Besides, I can`t imagine that say € 50.000,- more ore less really was the reason not to hire Newman for Ice Age 2.
Just looking at the box-office results on IMDB you can see Mr. and Mrs. Smith is on a different level than say a Daddy Day Care or Serenity. The Smiths had a bigger budget, made more money and opened on more screens.
That doesn`t answer my original question of how anyone knows the fee of Newman compared to Powell. I guess only the composers and their agents know.
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That doesn`t answer my original question of how anyone knows the fee of Newman compared to Powell. I guess only the composers and their agents know.
Oh I'm not saying I know what composer charge, but logic would dictate if you score a high profile picture you can ask more money. But your original question was: Why didn't Newman return for Ice Age 2 and my answer was: they had more money to spent so they went with a composer who asked more money.
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Looks like he took a year off. I'm looking at his IMDb scoring credits and there's nothing for 2006. And then there's only one for 2007 (though that was likely written and recorded in 2006, since the film opened in February). And a co-director worked with Powell a year earlier on "Robots".
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@Justin: I'm not saying my answer is the correct one just that it doesn't always have to be because they were unhappy with the music or anything. Not every director creates a working relationship for life with a composer. Just look at Michael Mann.
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The day Mann creates a relationship with a composer, will be a day the AFM and major composers throw a big party and have fire works. Hell would have frozen over.
...until the compsoer goes to the premiere and find his score not there so much.
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