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May 1, 2015 - 11:35 AM
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DeputyRiley
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Hi everyone! This main thread for my Complete Score Breakdown Series provides basic information about the CSBs that have been published and also serves as an archive, providing links to each breakdown in the series, so if anyone wants to find them they will all be in one place. First, the links: The Devil's Own (James Horner): http://mail.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=109419&forumID=1&archive=0 Beyond Rangoon (Hans Zimmer): http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=109220 Ransom (James Horner): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=109630&forumID=1&archive=0 Drop Zone (Hans Zimmer): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=109413&archive=0 A Perfect Murder (James Newton Howard): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=108961&archive=0 Point of No Return (Hans Zimmer): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=109622&forumID=1&archive=0 Collateral (James Newton Howard, et. al.): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=108397&forumID=1&archive=0 Ricochet (Alan Silvestri): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=108261&archive=0 Lara Croft Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Life (Alan Silvestri): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=109821&forumID=1&archive=0 U.S. Marshals (Jerry Goldsmith): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=109822&forumID=1&archive=0 Medicine Man (Jerry Goldsmith): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=109823&forumID=1&archive=0 The Rocketeer (James Horner): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=109934&forumID=1&archive=0 The Running Man (Harold Faltermeyer): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=109935&forumID=1&archive=0 Gremlins 2: The New Batch (Jerry Goldsmith): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=109988&forumID=1&archive=0 Freejack (Trevor Jones): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=109989&forumID=1&archive=0 The Haunting (Jerry Goldsmith): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110033&forumID=1&archive=0 Inhale (James Newton Howard): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110034&forumID=1&archive=0 Red Heat (James Horner): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110147&forumID=1&archive=0 The Missing (James Horner): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110148&forumID=1&archive=0 Thunderheart (James Horner): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110146&forumID=1&archive=0 Leviathan (Jerry Goldsmith): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110196&forumID=1&archive=0 Urban Legend (Christopher Young): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110197&forumID=1&archive=0 Licence to Kill (Michael Kamen): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110198&forumID=1&archive=0 Beverly Hills Cop (Harold Faltermeyer): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110229&forumID=1&archive=0 Beverly Hills Cop II (Harold Faltermeyer): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110230&forumID=1&archive=0 Volcano (Alan Silvestri): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110258&forumID=1&archive=0 The Pelican Brief (James Horner): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110259&forumID=1&archive=0 Nightcrawler (James Newton Howard): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110260&forumID=1&archive=0 Beyond Borders (James Horner): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110327&forumID=1&archive=0 Dick Tracy (Danny Elfman): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110326&forumID=1&archive=0 Marked for Death (James Newton Howard): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110328&forumID=1&archive=0 Pacific Heights (Hans Zimmer): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110368&forumID=1&archive=0 Volunteers (James Horner): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110367&forumID=1&archive=0 The Last Castle (Jerry Goldsmith): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110369&forumID=1&archive=0 The Fourth Kind (Atli Orvarsson): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110388&forumID=1&archive=0 Sneakers (James Horner): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110432&forumID=1&archive=0 Michael Clayton (James Newton Howard): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110433&forumID=1&archive=0 Mission: Impossble (Danny Elfman): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110434&forumID=1&archive=0 Field of Dreams (James Horner): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110590&forumID=1&archive=0 Flightplan (James Horner): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110591&forumID=1&archive=0 Mighty Joe Young (James Horner): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110592&forumID=1&archive=0 Deep Impact (James Horner): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110593&forumID=1&archive=0 The Interpreter (James Newton Howard): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110700&forumID=1&archive=0 Wanted (Danny Elfman): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110701&forumID=1&archive=0 Untraceable (Christopher Young): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110702&forumID=1&archive=0 Stealing Sinatra (John Powell): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110757&forumID=1&archive=0 Hellboy II: The Golden Army (Danny Elfman): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110758&forumID=1&archive=0 City Hall (Jerry Goldsmith): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110759&forumID=1&archive=0 Freedomland (James Newton Howard: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110815&forumID=1&archive=0 Malice (Jerry Goldsmith): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110814&forumID=1&archive=0 Darkman (Danny Elfman): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110861&forumID=1&archive=0 The Bourne Legacy (James Newton Howard): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110862&forumID=1&archive=0 Entrapment (Christopher Young): http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110863&forumID=1&archive=0 Second, a bit about how I select the scores I explore in the breakdowns. I've discussed this in the Ransom thread, so if you've read it there you've heard it before. Essentially, I am focusing my series on the complete scores to films that have had abbreviated previous releases or have gone unreleased. My criteria for the scores I choose is a bit more complicated, however. First of all, I have to be very selective in the scores/films that I choose to examine, because each one takes awhile and I can usually do 1-2 every couple of weeks. Even though there are a fair amount I would like to do, I only have so much time. As such, I have to have a vested interest in the score I'm examining and I have to really dig the composers. Zimmer, Howard, Horner, Silvestri (composers I've focused on thus far) are some of my favorite composers and the scores I've looked at by them are some that I've always been personally curious about and wanted to hear the unreleased stuff by watching the movie, and I've been curious exactly how much music is missing from official releases. Furthermore, I want to spotlight scores for which there is little or no known info about their complete score details online. For example, I would do Complete Score Breakdowns on a lot of John Powell stuff -- his Bourne scores, Paycheck, The Italian Job, I am Sam, X-Men 3, Fair Game, Green Zone, Hancock -- but all of those complete scores have already been detailed with official cue names, cue times, etc. on sites that deal and trade in unmentionables, so I wouldn't do any of those, even though I'd love to champion expansions of all of those scores. The fact that a lot of complete score details can be found online eliminates those candidates for my series. So many complete/expanded scores have come out of the woodwork in the past many years, making my candidates for Complete Score Breakdowns fewer and fewer. A year ago I would jump at the chance to do a CSB for River Wild or Ghost and the Darkness -- no longer necessary, thank heavens for that! Again, the scores I select might not be what a lot of folks would consider top drawer scores, popular efforts that people are clamoring for. One reason for that is because a lot of the expanded/complete scores that have been released are popular scores by popular composers so there's no reason to duplicate that (i.e. Ghost and the Darkness expanded). Another reason is because of what I mentioned above about so much complete score info for popular scores by popular composers already available through web searches. Again also, I have to personally want to watch the film again and want to look closely at the complete score. My tastes are not always the mainstream, so you won't always find a breakdown of a score you love, but I think my breakdowns will find people here and there, and they will most always feature a popular composer, even if the score itself is not popular...although maybe it should be! Please know that I do my best and work my hardest to make my runtime counts and numbers as accurate as I can, but they will not be completely accurate and are close approximations. If I'm adding up 35 film cue times, and many of them end in :03, I will round it up to 0:05; if they end in :02, I will roud it down to :00, and so on. In deducing complete film version runtime vs. complete known score written for film runtime (which includes alternate cues, edited CD tracks, unreleased material, unused CD tracks) vs. CD runtime vs. missing material runtime, sometimes it can be complicated and again, my final times may not be completely accurate but I will be as close as I possibly can. Thanks for everyone that takes the time to read my threads, for your positive and supportive comments, and for participating in the discussions. I appreciate it. I honestly would stop doing them if I thought people didn't care enough to read them but it seems that people do, and that's great. Stay tuned!
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Splendid! Thank you very much!
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May 12, 2015 - 5:31 AM
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DeputyRiley
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Hello all, I want to thank everyone once again for your support, encouragement, and positive response to my Complete Score Breakdowns. I'm really pleasantly surprised at the relative amount of well-received appreciation and I'm very grateful. I apologize if the "series" is a bit pretentious (i.e. capitalizing the letters of Complete Score Breakdown every single time , creating a separate thread solely for information on the series) but taking a close look at these complete scores as heard in the film, comparing them with existing CD releases, discovering new music from composers, films, and scores that I've loved for decades, and finally sharing all of this with a receptive and interested film score community...well, it's one of the most worthwhile things I've ever done in my six years on the FSM message boards. I really enjoy working on these CSBs and thank you all again for your response. I have some more ideas in the hopper, so stay tuned! Dep
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Deputy Riley, I really admire what you're doing. In fact, it's virtually the same as what I did myself almost a decade ago (before I got married). They were originally just for myself, but then I decided to posted many of them (though not at this forum, I think). Unfortunately now the majority of them are useless, because the scores have since been released in complete form -- I did Star Treks 1-7, and Batmans 1 & 2, among others, long before releasing complete versions with all the previously unreleased cues was even a twinkle in the eye of label producers. I think I may have posted them on the Intrada board. I also made it through the "Vol. 1" (and into "Vol. 2") DVD box set of Batman: The Animated Series, writing down the composers for each episode and noting/titling all the cues with times. I'm grateful to LLL for making those obsolete (soon, anyway, when their Vol. 4 comes out). There is one batch of stuff left that isn't useless yet: I did all of the "Season 1" Columbo scores including the two pilot episodes (and started Season 2). I've posted that info here a number of times, to show that all of the first seasons with the pilots should be able to fit on a single 2-CD set. I haven't had the free time to tackle any projects like this for years and I'm so glad to see you're doing it because you've tackled multiple scores so far that I would have liked to have done if time permitted. Please keep up the good work! Yavar P.S. Gremlins 2!
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I've really enjoyed the series of threads you've posted.. Keep up the good work, sir!
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May 15, 2015 - 9:19 AM
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DeputyRiley
(Member)
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Finished compiling several CSBs, just need to type them up and then I will post them. Just a note...from now on, as per GoblinScore's suggestion, in the Complete Score Cue Titles and Cue Times section I will begin placing a '+' next to cues to indicate which ones are unreleased or contain unreleased material. I will continue to list the CD tracklist as well, but this way it will be easier to see which cues are unreleased and which have been released at a quick glance. Also, I've been able to work on more CSBs than usual lately (hopefully I can keep that up), but that means I might shorten the introductory material a bit, my feelings about the score, yada yada yada, and get right to the nuts and bolts of the breakdown. I might jettison stuff like why I think stuff like Ransom and Tomb Raider 2 are good scores, focusing less on converting people to liking the music and more on the actual content of what exists and what's missing score-wise. Again, by streamlining my introductory material I might be able to try to crank out more CSBs... Stay tuned...
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