Film Score Monthly
FSM HOME MESSAGE BOARD FSM CDs FSM ONLINE RESOURCES FUN STUFF ABOUT US  SEARCH FSM   
Search Terms: 
Search Within:   search tips 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

... one of the greatest STAR TREK Klingon Warrior Villains,

or just the cheap result of a lazy, entitled actor who did not want to wear the wig, beard and extensive Klingon Head Make up and got the director to side with him?

Discuss.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

While I enjoy Plummer's performance in STVI, the near-entirety of his dialogue is Shakespeare quotes, which he could do in his sleep, so in that regard I think it was a "lazy" performance, but a good one nonetheless. I think Plummer also pulled that Shakespeare shtick in an episode of "The Cosby Show."

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

While I enjoy Plummer's performance in STVI, the near-entirety of his dialogue is Shakespeare quotes, which he could do in his sleep, so in that regard I think it was a "lazy" performance, but a good one nonetheless. I think Plummer also pulled that Shakespeare shtick in an episode of "The Cosby Show."

I agree, great actor performing Shakespeare, but under the surface it was a weak and underdeveloped villain.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Be interesting to see him in full Klingon long hair and beard with more extensive forehead bones, most likely the way the make up designers had originally planned for him to look.

I know he wanted his character to look like no other Klingon ever seen.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

On a side note, I always wondered what the ratio was of black and white actors playing Klingons was.

On TOS it was always just white guys in dirty face dark make up and then on NEXT GEN it seemed the majority of the Klingons were black guys. You could always tell when there was a brother under there. And then in the features, the Klingons were all white guys again. Except Worf.

Not that this matters at all, but I always found it interesting.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

"It is not something we discuss with outsiders!"

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

On a side note, I always wondered what the ratio was of black and white actors playing Klingons was.

On TOS it was always just white guys in dirty face dark make up and then on NEXT GEN it seemed the majority of the Klingons were black guys. You could always tell when there was a brother under there. And then in the features, the Klingons were all white guys again. Except Worf.

Not that this matters at all, but I always found it interesting.


I much preferred the bronze skin TOS versions. But I have a total dislike for humanoid aliens with ugly prosthetic's on their faces. So I'm glad they toned it down on Plummer.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   That Neil Guy   (Member)

Don't wait for the translation!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

It wasn't his appearance that bothered me, it was the fact that Plummer played Chang like a slightly more pissed off version of Captain Von Trapp. He didn't seem remotely Klingon to me.

And whilst overall I quite like Trek VI, the level of Shakesperian quotes is a little excessive for my tastes.

As baddie Klingons go, I much preferred Christopher Lloyd playing Kruge as a seriously pissed off Doc Brown (I always wanted Kruger to swear in Klingon with no accompanying sub-title, for what would be the Klingon version of "Great Scott!!!"

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

It wasn't his appearance that bothered me, it was the fact that Plummer played Chang like a slightly more pissed off version of Captain Von Trapp. He didn't seem remotely Klingon to me.

And whilst overall I quite like Trek VI, the level of Shakesperian quotes is a little excessive for my tastes.

As baddie Klingons go, I much preferred Christopher Lloyd playing Kruge as a seriously pissed off Doc Brown (I always wanted Kruger to swear in Klingon with no accompanying sub-title, for what would be the Klingon version of "Great Scott!!!"


Me too! Loved Lloyd's Doc Brown Kruge! It worked!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 4:11 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

On a side note, I always wondered what the ratio was of black and white actors playing Klingons was.

On TOS it was always just white guys in dirty face dark make up and then on NEXT GEN it seemed the majority of the Klingons were black guys. You could always tell when there was a brother under there. And then in the features, the Klingons were all white guys again. Except Worf.

Not that this matters at all, but I always found it interesting.


You are mistaken. Next Generation had tons of white actors playing klingons.

Gowron (Robert O'Reilly), Worf's son Alexander (Brian Eric Bonsall), Lursa and B'Etor, Alexander's mother.





The makeup was done extremely well. The only major Klingon role I can remember played by a black person on TNG (aside from Michael Dorn's Worf) is his brother played by the excellent Tony Todd. I'm sure there were other black people who played klingons on the show, but definitely not a general rule.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 4:54 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Here's 17 African American actors who played Klingons. Someone actually made a list. And in the 3 pages at the following link more on the subject.

http://www.klingon.org/smboard/index.php?topic=787.0;wap2

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 5:27 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

This is cool.

http://www.thegeektwins.com/2013/08/the-16-most-surprising-star-trek.html#.VSxeOxzxa68

 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
© 2024 Film Score Monthly. All Rights Reserved.
Website maintained and powered by Veraprise and Matrimont.