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 Posted:   Apr 9, 2015 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

I just recently heard or read this somewhere.

Looking for my source. Can anyone expand until I do so?

What other composers had a lot of rejected scores?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2015 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Jerry Goldsmith

Scores rejected:

In no particular order.

TIMELINE

ALIENATION

PUBLIC EYE

REINDEER GAMES

THE KID

BABE (Pig Movie, not Didrickson Zaharias)

WALL STREET

2 DAYS IN THE VALLEY

GLADIATOR

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2015 - 10:20 AM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

I just recently heard or read this somewhere.

Looking for my source. Can anyone expand until I do so?

What other composers had a lot of rejected scores?


Carter Burwell:
-Thor 2
-Gangster Squad
-August: Osage County
-Serenity
-The Bourne Identity
-Gigli
-Kiss the Girls

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2015 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

You probably read it on my Rejected Film Scores site (there's also a page on the site called Statistics). But got it wrong. Counting demo cues/scores, as well, it's:

1st place: John Barry
2nd place: Elmer Bernstein
3rd place: Jerry Goldsmith

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2015 - 7:57 PM   
 By:   BBoulle   (Member)

Jack Nicklaus won 18 Major golf championships. But he also finished 2nd in 17 Major championships. The great ones win more, but they also lose more. It's the nature of being at or near the top of your profession. And because you're great, you have the longevity. You win a lot, you lose a lot.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2015 - 1:50 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Jack Nicklaus won 18 Major golf championships. But he also finished 2nd in 17 Major championships. The great ones win more, but they also lose more. It's the nature of being at or near the top of your profession. And because you're great, you have the longevity. You win a lot, you lose a lot.

Like with John Williams, who has almost 50 Oscar nominations, but "only" won 5.

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2015 - 3:11 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Also, one has to consider, what does "rejected" score mean... by no means are all of the often mentioned "rejected" scores "rejected" in the sense that the composer wrote something, and the producers didn't like it and "rejected" it in favor of another score. Sometimes, a composer deliberately wrote something differently from what was requested, sometimes the movie changed several times during post production, so that the written score didn't work anymore, and the original composer wasn't available anymore to do the final score.

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2015 - 3:30 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Unfortunately, the stories of what happened on every score that didn't end up in a film, isn't available or the people involved want to keep it under wraps. I shove know rejected scores and ones we don't know the stories of, under the section "Rejected", then ones where the score couldn't be used for some reason or another under "Un-used". And then I have a "Demos" section as well.

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2017 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I thought Georges Delerue had the most rejected scores for some reason. Which leads me to a question... Why are so many of his scores rejected? Didn't the directors and producers know what they are getting when they hired him?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2017 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Stanley Rogers?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

"I thought Georges Delerue had the most rejected scores for some reason. Which leads me to a question... Why are so many of his scores rejected? Didn't the directors and producers know what they are getting when they hired him?"

Many producers and directors don't seem to know what the hell they want or how to describe what they want. I keep remembering David Giler on the Alien Quadrilogy boxset extras saying he thought Goldsmith's score for ALIEN sounded like PATTON. (What a impossibly ignorant numbskull.)

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

"I thought Georges Delerue had the most rejected scores for some reason. Which leads me to a question... Why are so many of his scores rejected? Didn't the directors and producers know what they are getting when they hired him?"

Many producers and directors don't seem to know what the hell they want or how to describe what they want. I keep remembering David Giler on the Alien Quadrilogy boxset extras saying he thought Goldsmith's score for ALIEN sounded like PATTON. (What a impossibly ignorant numbskull.)


Probably true. Just seems to me most composers have a distinct style. I wouldn't hire Delerue for a big action flick for example. For a drama or love story, absolutely! Not to say a composer should be pigeon holed, but it's pretty obvious what genre composers work best in and which ones are unlikely matches.

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Certainly not Delerue, even if I wento the top ten replaced composers, even possibly the fifteen top replaced composers.


I'm sure there is a story behind each score that wasn't used by Bernstein, and aside from "Gangs of New York" (which was heavily re-edited and the score no logner fit; I don't recal if there was any new filming or re-filming), my own personal guess for the frequency is that much like Barry, while one of the greatest compsoers who ever lived, Bernstein was from another time in scoring and for the most part it appeared he wasn't translating into what films started to become.

I think back to, for example, a fine rejected score to "The Journey of Natty Gann". Again, a fine score, but it was simply not for the film. Listening to what he did and what Horner did, I just don't think Bernstein "got" the film, from watching to musically speaking (the change to Horner was the right decision). And I think this might have been in other later films as well.

 
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