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 Posted:   Mar 31, 2015 - 5:57 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

In black & white films of the 40's or so, I recall that some characters who worked in an office were in a characteristic location.

Namely, the office had windows that were half-moon shaped, almost like this...


http://paolocisilotto.com/forum/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/noir_img1.gif

... only the moon shape was MUCH closer to the floor. In my mind I usually associate this with a theatrical agent's office, but it could have been others.

Now I never thought about this before, but maybe it meant something. Like if we saw the tops of high-rise buildings out their big windows, they were wealthy and in a penthouse. Or if the windows were small, high and we saw people's shoes, they were poor and in a basement apartment.

Does anyone know?

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2015 - 10:14 PM   
 By:   BobJ   (Member)

Honestly, I believe it had more to do with getting extra light in the scene than anything. Those old films stocks required nuclear amounts of light to be seen. Especially for the very light and shadow specific "Noir".

 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2015 - 12:45 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

i know the type you mean.

is this another of your thinly-disguised window threads?!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2015 - 5:27 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I think it's just a particular architectural style, and yes, it does allow more light in. The beam at the top of the window is the transom, and the little window above it is often referred to as a "light", or a "fanlight" if it's got a circular top.

If you have one of these types of windows, the opening part of which you keep permanently ajar because you suffer from an excess of eating sprouts, beans or similar, you could describe yourself as "gassy by fanlight".

 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2015 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

I think it's just a particular architectural style, and yes, it does allow more light in. The beam at the top of the window is the transom, and the little window above it is often referred to as a "light", or a "fanlight" if it's got a circular top.

If you have one of these types of windows, the opening part of which you keep permanently ajar because you suffer from an excess of eating sprouts, beans or similar, you could describe yourself as "gassy by fanlight".


I know a transom as a window above a door, not over another window, or low close to the floor, which is what these were (at least over here in the USA).

A transom was also on a hallway wall. The one in the picture and in all the movies I saw, was looking outdoors, or over a space like a train station or huge lobby, never a hallway.

(I keep wishing Ray Faiola would look at this thread. He always knows the answer to this vintage stuff.)

 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2015 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Only a matter of time before someone mentions the Texas Book Depository.

 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2015 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

In black & white films of the 40's or so, I recall that some characters who worked in an office were in a characteristic location.

Namely, the office had windows that were half-moon shaped, almost like this...


http://paolocisilotto.com/forum/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/noir_img1.gif

... only the moon shape was MUCH closer to the floor. In my mind I usually associate this with a theatrical agent's office, but it could have been others.

Now I never thought about this before, but maybe it meant something. Like if we saw the tops of high-rise buildings out their big windows, they were wealthy and in a penthouse. Or if the windows were small, high and we saw people's shoes, they were poor and in a basement apartment.

Does anyone know?




The building facade (and windows) could sometimes be independent of the internal floor arrangement. Some attic-type office might only get the top curved part of the window.
I think that would be more Hollywood architecture, than anything in the real world.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2015 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

None of these answers are swaying me.

PAGING RAY FAIOLA!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2015 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Ralph   (Member)

If you have one of these types of windows, the opening part of which you keep permanently ajar because you suffer from an excess of eating sprouts, beans or similar, you could describe yourself as "gassy by fanlight".

Thanks for the best laugh I've had today.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2015 - 6:08 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Thanks for the best laugh I've had today.


Well thank you, sir.

And get out more!

smile

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2015 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

Ray appeared on the board today (in a burst of smoke and the smell of sulfur! big grin )

Maybe he can help solve this riddle, since none of the answers so far have a ring of authority that sways me.

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2015 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Sorry, you got me. I always thought they were designed so that Richard Lane could throw Frank Sully out of one of them in any one of the BOSTON BLACKIE pictures!

 
 Posted:   May 2, 2015 - 6:26 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Sidney Lumet used that distinctive arc-shaped window for Frank Galvin's only office window in The Verdict, which was itself enclosed within a medieval, cathedral-like space. It was very dark, brown and gloomy. It was the first thing that came to mind on seeing this thead. The production design was quite effective because it gave Paul Newman's booze-soaked character his lowermost cell in hell from which he had to climb out of in order to reach the light.
I've tried to scour the internet for a half-decent picture but don't seem to be able to find one.

http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/2011/04/21/endurance-survival-lessons-from-lumet/

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2018 - 8:29 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

... only the moon shape was MUCH closer to the floor. In my mind I usually associate this with a theatrical agent's office, but it could have been others.

Here's a better representation of what the room and window looked like:

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2018 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

I'll betray my age once again as I remember in the 1954-59 TV series, THE LINE-UP, police inspectors Warner Anderson and Tom Tully's office in San Francisco had windows like these. I always found these fascinating.

 
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