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 Posted:   Mar 28, 2015 - 7:32 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

Another top 5 favorite Bond movie of mine. This one came out the year I was born btw! This movie did just about everything right.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2015 - 7:40 PM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

...and a soundtrack album that does NOT do justice to an excellent Bond score!

It isn't my favourite Bond film but it IS one of those that I can watch over and over again, it's a great fun filled movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2015 - 7:42 PM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

I also now realise that I'm 16 years older than Henry.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2015 - 9:23 PM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

The Spy Who Loved Me does everything wrong, Henry.

It ended up as something other than how it started.
I can't even get started on the how and what.

As a James Bond film, it's 95% garbage.

The other 5% is in the early scene with Naval Commander Bond confirming that their submarines are being hijacked. The fight on the rooftop is pretty good. The big scene involving the submarine crew's assault on the control room inside the oil tanker is also worthwhile and a lot of fun. The latter scene presented lighting problems that necessitated hiring a special consultant to fix: none other than Stanley Kubrick who did the job on the condition that his name not be revealed. I can't say I like anything else about the film.

So I will praise the photography of Claude Renoir. His aesthetic sensibility, his precise framing and pictorial composition, and the sharpness and clarity of his lensmanship are astonishing. And I don't mean the simple lighting tricks in the pyramid scene neither, which is schoolboy stuff. If The Spy Who Loved Me had nothing else going for it -- and it doesn't -- it can truthfully be said, "it's a Renoir!"

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2015 - 2:20 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Perhaps it was my age ... and my widening interests at the time ... but The Spy who Loved Me was the first JB007 film I watched, leaving disappointed. In those pre-internet days this was the first in the series which I recall having mass-marketing and the hype was phenomenal.

For me, the story is very weak and poorly played out (e.g. after 35+ years I've yet to find out what causes the sub's to lose power ... it's a submarine tracking device not a submarine disabling device ... smile).

Barabara Bach is the first - and to date only - leading lady I actually dislike ... her acting is woeful not helped by risible dialogue. I thought Ken Adam's Atlantis was poor ... or perhaps poorly filmed ... and the Liparus not much better.

But it is the poor story and awful mis-match of humour and drama which destroys that fine balance between suspending disbelief and concluding we've been had. I don't think much of Marvin Hamlisch's score and the song is highly over-rated.

On the plus side I do think Roger Moore gives his best performance but this merely demonstrates that the JB007 films are much more than the lead actor.

Mitch

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2015 - 3:27 AM   
 By:   juhana   (Member)

I don't outright dislike this one, but I agree it's a bit overrated. I'd put it somewhere in the middle of the pack.

The most glaring issue is Stromberg, whose motivations are never made clear by the script (and what's up with those webbed hands?). Just how exactly is igniting a nuclear war going to make his dream of an underground civilization come true? Not to mention the character is merely old fat guy sitting in chairs and pushing buttons.

Anya is a weak character, and Bach's performance isn't very good either. She is supposed to be a Russian counterpart to Bond, but on many occasions she hardly seems competent and then gets reduced to a damsel-in-distress at the end.

I'm also somewhat conflicted about the drama subplot (Bond having killed Anya's lover and all that). It's a good plot point in concept, but it doesn't necessarily fit well in a movie that's as frivolous as this. Not to mention it kind of lacks teeth. I think this subplot might be a leftover from an earlier draft where Blofeld was supposed to return. In that context, it would have provided an interesting thematic parallel between Anya's desire to take revenge on Bond and the latter's desire to do so on Blofeld. This would have either provided us a more emotionally resonant picture, or alternatively a more tonally conflicted one.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2015 - 4:19 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Barabara Bach is the first - and to date only - leading lady I actually dislike ...

She's pretty lame, I admit. But really? Worse than Tanya Roberts as "Stacy" in 'A View To A Kill'?

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2015 - 5:05 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Barabara Bach is the first - and to date only - leading lady I actually dislike ...

She's pretty lame, I admit. But really? Worse than Tanya Roberts as "Stacy" in 'A View To A Kill'?


I know that Ms. Bach has her followers (on this forum and elsewhere) but I'm not one of them. I acknowledge that Ms. Roberts was a less than wonderful choice but at least her character is meant to be an ordinary citizen. She is also easier on the eye for me though I cringe somewhat at the ending!

As much as I like(d) Roger Moore and have enjoyed his JB007 films* I do feel that he stayed around for one film too long. But A View to a Kill is still preferable viewing to The Spy Who Loved Me

*I continue to rate both For Your Eyes Only and Octopussy as two of my favourite JB007 films and just wish the current ones were half as entertaining.

Mitch

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2015 - 5:09 AM   
 By:   Mike F   (Member)

The Spy Who Loved Me does everything wrong, Henry.

It ended up as something other than how it started.
I can't even get started on the how and what.



Go on, do tell Richard

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2015 - 5:16 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

My all time favorite Bond movie, with just so many great things to like. The score, the action (one of the best car chases ever), the Lotus Esprit, Ken Adam's incredible sets and Barbara Bach to name but a few.

Sir Rog seemed totally comfortable in the role for the first time here I thought and I love him in this film beyond any other.

I remember seeing it at the first performance on opening day at the odeon St Albans. I loved it so much, at the end of the movie, I moved seats and sat through the whole thing again.

Fabulous entertainment, infinitely re-watchable. Best Bond ever IMHO.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2015 - 5:35 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

The Spy Who Loved Me does everything wrong, Henry.

It ended up as something other than how it started.
I can't even get started on the how and what.



Go on, do tell Richard


Richard likes to think of himself as a bit of a Bond expert here but he often gets his facts wrong so I wouldn't put too much store in what he is saying.

Truth be told, the pre-production of TSWLM wasn't exactly a smooth run but neither was is that dramatic either. A fair number of writers were involved in the development of the script including, if I recall correctly, the likes of John Landis and Anthony Burgess. Additionally, Gerry Anderson settled out of court with Eon over similarities for a treatment of Moonraker that he had regular collaborator Tony Barwick had written some years before.

When series regular Richard Maibaum took over, he drafted a screenplay that featured terrorists taking over Spectre from a deposed Blofeld. Michael Wood was hired to re-write the script (an odd choice for sure given Wood's previous screenplay credentials) but then all sorts of legal complications arose in respect of the use of Spectre and the Blofeld character (these issues are pretty well known I think but I'll expand if you want me to) so Wood's eventual screenplay elimanted all references to the organisation and its bald headed boss.

So that's about it.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2015 - 7:04 AM   
 By:   groovemeister   (Member)

The Spy Who Loved Me does everything wrong, Henry.

It ended up as something other than how it started.
I can't even get started on the how and what.

As a James Bond film, it's 95% garbage.

The other 5% is in the early scene with Naval Commander Bond confirming that their submarines are being hijacked. The fight on the rooftop is pretty good. The big scene involving the submarine crew's assault on the control room inside the oil tanker is also worthwhile and a lot of fun. The latter scene presented lighting problems that necessitated hiring a special consultant to fix: none other than Stanley Kubrick who did the job on the condition that his name not be revealed. I can't say I like anything else about the film.

So I will praise the photography of Claude Renoir. His aesthetic sensibility, his precise framing and pictorial composition, and the sharpness and clarity of his lensmanship are astonishing. And I don't mean the simple lighting tricks in the pyramid scene neither, which is schoolboy stuff. If The Spy Who Loved Me had nothing else going for it -- and it doesn't -- it can truthfully be said, "it's a Renoir!"




That's a bit harsh Richard.
TSWLM is a masterpiece compared to the much praised 'Skyfall'.
It's fun, slick and a joy to watch.
And as timmer pointed out, the score is so much better than the commercially released album.
waiting almost 40 years now for a score release !!!

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2015 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

...
When series regular Richard Maibaum took over, he drafted a screenplay that featured terrorists taking over Spectre from a deposed Blofeld. Michael Wood was hired to re-write the script (an odd choice for sure given Wood's previous screenplay credentials) but then all sorts of legal complications arose in respect of the use of Spectre and the Blofeld character (these issues are pretty well known I think but I'll expand if you want me to) so Wood's eventual screenplay elimanted all references to the organisation and its bald headed boss.

So that's about it.


Except, of course, it was Christopher - not Michael - Wood ...

I read his book James Bond, The Spy I Loved a few years ago but it was thin on detail ... however, reading between the lines it's clear this first film (he wrote/co-wrote Moonraker) was a total mish-mash and this comes through on screen.

Mitch

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2015 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

...
When series regular Richard Maibaum took over, he drafted a screenplay that featured terrorists taking over Spectre from a deposed Blofeld. Michael Wood was hired to re-write the script (an odd choice for sure given Wood's previous screenplay credentials) but then all sorts of legal complications arose in respect of the use of Spectre and the Blofeld character (these issues are pretty well known I think but I'll expand if you want me to) so Wood's eventual screenplay elimanted all references to the organisation and its bald headed boss.

So that's about it.


Except, of course, it was Christopher - not Michael - Wood ...

I read his book James Bond, The Spy I Loved a few years ago but it was thin on detail ... however, reading between the lines it's clear this first film (he wrote/co-wrote Moonraker) was a total mish-mash and this comes through on screen.

Mitch


mea culpa !

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2015 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I was a teenager in 1977, and SWLM was such a big deal to me, I barely noticed STAR WARS that year. I went once to see SW, had a decent time, but three times to SWLM because I was obsessed. If I'd had the money and a driver's license, I would have gone again and again. I couldn't get enough of it. I was playing the Marvin Hamlisch LP all the time.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2015 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   Mike F   (Member)

The Spy Who Loved Me does everything wrong, Henry.

It ended up as something other than how it started.
I can't even get started on the how and what.



Go on, do tell Richard


Richard likes to think of himself as a bit of a Bond expert here but he often gets his facts wrong so I wouldn't put too much store in what he is saying.

Truth be told, the pre-production of TSWLM wasn't exactly a smooth run but neither was is that dramatic either. A fair number of writers were involved in the development of the script including, if I recall correctly, the likes of John Landis and Anthony Burgess. Additionally, Gerry Anderson settled out of court with Eon over similarities for a treatment of Moonraker that he had regular collaborator Tony Barwick had written some years before.

When series regular Richard Maibaum took over, he drafted a screenplay that featured terrorists taking over Spectre from a deposed Blofeld. Michael Wood was hired to re-write the script (an odd choice for sure given Wood's previous screenplay credentials) but then all sorts of legal complications arose in respect of the use of Spectre and the Blofeld character (these issues are pretty well known I think but I'll expand if you want me to) so Wood's eventual screenplay elimanted all references to the organisation and its bald headed boss.

So that's about it.


Thanks for all that information Mike_J. I knew that Spectre were originally going to feature, but the rest was new to me.

I remember at the end of the pre-titles the applause and cheering in the cinema was deafening. couldn't hear Carly Simon. Never heard anything like that at a movie since.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2015 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

The Spy Who Loved Me does everything wrong, Henry.

It ended up as something other than how it started.
I can't even get started on the how and what.

As a James Bond film, it's 95% garbage.

The other 5% is in the early scene with Naval Commander Bond confirming that their submarines are being hijacked. The fight on the rooftop is pretty good. The big scene involving the submarine crew's assault on the control room inside the oil tanker is also worthwhile and a lot of fun. The latter scene presented lighting problems that necessitated hiring a special consultant to fix: none other than Stanley Kubrick who did the job on the condition that his name not be revealed. I can't say I like anything else about the film.

So I will praise the photography of Claude Renoir. His aesthetic sensibility, his precise framing and pictorial composition, and the sharpness and clarity of his lensmanship are astonishing. And I don't mean the simple lighting tricks in the pyramid scene neither, which is schoolboy stuff. If The Spy Who Loved Me had nothing else going for it -- and it doesn't -- it can truthfully be said, "it's a Renoir!"




That's a bit harsh Richard.
TSWLM is a masterpiece compared to the much praised 'Skyfall'.
It's fun, slick and a joy to watch.
And as timmer pointed out, the score is so much better than the commercially released album.
waiting almost 40 years now for a score release !!!


At least James Bond is his traditional self, but it's a Bond film in name only. I'd accept the cartoonishness and self-mockery if it were a Inspector Clouseau film. It's more of a Clouseau film anyway. If they had replaced Bond with Clouseau, it would work for me.

Or they could have deleted Jaws and all of Jaws business. Jaws was a torpedo to the series, 100% destructive to believability and sustaining disbelief, he blows it apart. Any sense of risk or danger goes out the window with Jaws. If they had taken out Jaws and the flamboyant comedy, like M having an office in Egypt, sustained some pain in the relationship between Bond and triple X, then ended the film with the siege in the oil tanker, Claude Renoir's beautiful work would have been justified.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2015 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

This was the first Bond film since becoming a fan that I didn't see at the cinema. I didn't go because for various reasons I had other things to think about and really wasn't interested. By the time I did see it, I really only saw the bad side of it - the rehash of the YOLT plot, the lack of John Barry, the stupid handing the fish out of the Lotus joke, the stupid clown car joke, the introduction of crude sexism that pervaded the rest of the Roger Moore era.

It took a while to appreciate the finer points of the film, and of course simply because it's a Bond film I've seen it innumerable times over the years and am happy enough to watch it again despite its obvious flaws.


Edit - I forgot the worst thing about it - the song. Good tune, wrong words.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2015 - 12:15 AM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)

This was the first Bond film since becoming a fan that I didn't see at the cinema. (...) the introduction of crude sexism that pervaded the rest of the Roger Moore era.

You saw Connery Bond before this film and you complain about the sexism?!
Connery's Bond was extremely misogynistic, and forced himself on women. That's what I meant with "creepy" in my reply to the "Living daylights" thread. As David Mitchell said in "Have I got news for you" when someone called Bond a British hero, he's a kind of hero in a rapy way. "Marnie" was maybe awkward to Connery but it would have been just another day for Connery's Bond.

D.S.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2015 - 3:26 AM   
 By:   Membership Expired   (Member)

Bond's behavior towards woman has to be seen within the context of that decade. Which such sexism was still very commonplace.

The only time 007's attitude to women actually bothered me was with Live And let Die, where he basically puts a gun against a women's head and calmly threatens to blow her brains out. Later on he tricks Solitaire into having sex with him.

I think I would have found it more palatable if this was done by Connery's Bond, but seeing the debonaire, gentlemanly Roger Moore do this just felt wrong.
Moore's Bond charms women into bed, he doesnt need to con them!

 
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