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 Posted:   Mar 25, 2015 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

After his shimmering Double Violin Concerto revealed in my hometown last November, this Friday gives us the chance to hear another new classical work by Mr James.
His 4 Horns piece should be quite nice, if written in the fashion of his Violin Concerto.
I've always loved his use of horns in his film scores (Field Of Dreams, Testament) and cannot wait to hear what he unveils this Friday at the Southbank in London.
Anyone else here going to this?

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2015 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   JimWare   (Member)

After his shimmering Double Violin Concerto revealed in my hometown last November, this Friday gives us the chance to hear another new classical work by Mr James.
His 4 Horns piece should be quite nice, if written in the fashion of his Violin Concerto.
I've always loved his use of horns in his film scores (Field Of Dreams, Testament) and cannot wait to hear what he unveils this Friday at the Southbank in London.
Anyone else here going to this?


I'll be there. Curious to see if Horner will be in attendance.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2015 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I'm a-going, Kev!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2015 - 10:27 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

That's cool John.
We will meet up beforehand for some BEER!! smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2015 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

So wish I could attend this...
Can't wait to hear from you guys what is it like smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2015 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Any comments?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2015 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Aye. Just got back to Liverpool after savouring another lovely piece by Horner.
Well, it's not that Williams/Morricone style classical stuff from James.
He's melodic, soothing and 'his style' all the way.
The piece is called 'Collage : A Concerto for Four Horns & Orchestra. (dur = 24 mins).
It came about from his association with three of the nights performers for the past 20 years (Jim Thatcher, David Pyatt & Richard Watkins - John Ryan was the 4th Horn) playing on his film scores.
Pyatt finally asked Horner to write a four-horn concerto and this was the result.
Right, as is usual with Horner, fragments of his other works bleed into it, albeit vaguely and dreamily. I was reminded of the following while floating away on it's beauty...CBS Fanfare/Four Feathers, Spiderwick Chronicles, Spitfire Grill and a smile-inducing quote (or three) of Krull (or Enterprise Clears Moorings...you choose) and some Battle Beyond The Stars!
It doesn't hold together as well as his Double Violin Concerto for me, but it is still lovely new music from someone who seems to be enjoying his writing these days.
He was in attendance and was beckoned onstage (from a few rows behind us) by the Horn players during the applause and seemed really chuffed with the adulation and applause he/the piece received.
Great stuff and I hope it gets released on CD sometime soon (it's a pity it couldn't have occupied some room on the forthcoming Double Violin Concerto CD).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2015 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Another buzz from last night was sitting within about 10 feet of Jim Thatcher, who has performed on countless scores I've loved over the decades (Always = sublime).
I don't know how much practice time they had on this piece, some parts of it must have been almost impossible to nail live, but there was very little flubbage (not a real word I'm sure) during the performance.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2015 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Smaug   (Member)

Yeah can't wait to hear it! Is there any word on it getting recorded?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2015 - 8:33 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

No, unlike the Double Violin Concerto which was announced as having a CD release around the time of it's premiere in November.
Maybe the label that releases his rejected Romeo & Juliet score can tag it onto the end of that CD! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2015 - 8:49 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

A good friend of mine who attended the concert had that to say about the Horner piece:

“4 horns playing unison, two pianos and two harps who have nothing to do, overorchestrated as a nostalgic Hollywood blockbuster from the 80s with thematic material that is just repeated over and over again without any development whatsoever. Then came Rimsky-Korsakov. He showed how to do it properly.
Now, James Horner showed himself as a second rate nostalgic romantic yesterday who just delivered what he already delivered 30 years ago in his movie scores. He obviously didn't know how to orchestrate properly on his own and had no clue whatsoever as to how use four horns in an interesting way. Listening to his work, I expected to see the enterprise taking off any second. There was nothing fresh or original about it.

And “Classical Concert Review” had that to say about Horner`s work:

“Horner's Pas de Deux: Double Concerto was ghastly. The first movement was a boring, unoriginal attempt to rip-off Vaughn Williams. The movement dragged on, occasionally Horner excited the audience with a perfect cadence, signalling the end, only to start the whole sorry affair off again for what felt like another hour and a half. The soloists were the epitome of mediocrity and even managed to make Petrenko look like a semi-competent conductor! The second movement was perhaps even more arduous than the first and was musically bland- the Samuelsens didn't do much to counteract this at all. After those two awful movements came the third- an immature, rushed attempt at serious concert music by a film composer. It was during this movement that Horner's mask slipped and he was revealed as the cheesy, generic Hollywood composer that he is. A sorry attempt by Horner to try and be taken seriously. If I was to rate the concert based on this performance alone it would be struggling to get one star. The RLPO approached the work with a brave face and managed to keep it ticking over. This concerto is what prevented me from rating the concert four stars. Horner's attempt at writing a concerto was pitiful.“

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2015 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Ouch!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2015 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

A good friend of mine who attended the concert had that to say about the Horner piece:

“4 horns playing unison, two pianos and two harps who have nothing to do, overorchestrated as a nostalgic Hollywood blockbuster from the 80s with thematic material that is just repeated over and over again without any development whatsoever. Then came Rimsky-Korsakov. He showed how to do it properly.
Now, James Horner showed himself as a second rate nostalgic romantic yesterday who just delivered what he already delivered 30 years ago in his movie scores. He obviously didn't know how to orchestrate properly on his own and had no clue whatsoever as to how use four horns in an interesting way. Listening to his work, I expected to see the enterprise taking off any second. There was nothing fresh or original about it. As I try to actually achieve something today, this will be my last comment here.

And “Classical Concert Review” had that to say about Horner`s work:

“Horner's Pas de Deux: Double Concerto was ghastly. The first movement was a boring, unoriginal attempt to rip-off Vaughn Williams. The movement dragged on, occasionally Horner excited the audience with a perfect cadence, signalling the end, only to start the whole sorry affair off again for what felt like another hour and a half. The soloists were the epitome of mediocrity and even managed to make Petrenko look like a semi-competent conductor! The second movement was perhaps even more arduous than the first and was musically bland- the Samuelsens didn't do much to counteract this at all. After those two awful movements came the third- an immature, rushed attempt at serious concert music by a film composer. It was during this movement that Horner's mask slipped and he was revealed as the cheesy, generic Hollywood composer that he is. A sorry attempt by Horner to try and be taken seriously. If I was to rate the concert based on this performance alone it would be struggling to get one star. The RLPO approached the work with a brave face and managed to keep it ticking over. This concerto is what prevented me from rating the concert four stars. Horner's attempt at writing a concerto was pitiful.“


Reading this, I'm reminded of the bitter theatre critic in Birdman

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2015 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Those reviews sound like someone who has always looked down their nose at film music and have made their minds up a long time ago. Classical music snobs will always be snobs.
I'm not saying the two Horner pieces I've heard are going to change the world, but if you are a fan of his music, you are likely to enjoy them, as they are cut from similar cloth.
And I didn't know there was a RIGHT way to do it!! That's NOT what ANY music is about.
Also, let's not forget that a lot of classical pieces that are now considered bonafide masterpieces were spat upon when they were first introduced and heard.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2015 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

I was curious whether this new piece would take inspiration from Schumann's ultra-heroic, red-blooded Konzertstuck for 4 horns and orch. Sounds like Horner took a dreamier route though.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2015 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

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 Posted:   May 22, 2015 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

A good friend of mine who attended the concert had that to say about the Horner piece:

“4 horns playing unison, two pianos and two harps who have nothing to do, overorchestrated as a nostalgic Hollywood blockbuster from the 80s with thematic material that is just repeated over and over again without any development whatsoever. Then came Rimsky-Korsakov. He showed how to do it properly.
Now, James Horner showed himself as a second rate nostalgic romantic yesterday who just delivered what he already delivered 30 years ago in his movie scores. He obviously didn't know how to orchestrate properly on his own and had no clue whatsoever as to how use four horns in an interesting way. Listening to his work, I expected to see the enterprise taking off any second. There was nothing fresh or original about it. As I try to actually achieve something today, this will be my last comment here.

And “Classical Concert Review” had that to say about Horner`s work:

“Horner's Pas de Deux: Double Concerto was ghastly. The first movement was a boring, unoriginal attempt to rip-off Vaughn Williams. The movement dragged on, occasionally Horner excited the audience with a perfect cadence, signalling the end, only to start the whole sorry affair off again for what felt like another hour and a half. The soloists were the epitome of mediocrity and even managed to make Petrenko look like a semi-competent conductor! The second movement was perhaps even more arduous than the first and was musically bland- the Samuelsens didn't do much to counteract this at all. After those two awful movements came the third- an immature, rushed attempt at serious concert music by a film composer. It was during this movement that Horner's mask slipped and he was revealed as the cheesy, generic Hollywood composer that he is. A sorry attempt by Horner to try and be taken seriously. If I was to rate the concert based on this performance alone it would be struggling to get one star. The RLPO approached the work with a brave face and managed to keep it ticking over. This concerto is what prevented me from rating the concert four stars. Horner's attempt at writing a concerto was pitiful.“


Reading this, I'm reminded of the bitter theatre critic in Birdman



Where were these posted?

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2015 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

It's on Spotify now

https://open.spotify.com/album/2MZ0A2KLSJlbFd8jsOXviR


That links to Pas de Deux, not the horn concerto.

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2015 - 5:34 AM   
 By:   jb-martin   (Member)

Two articles about Collage, a concerto for four horns and orchestra.

COLLAGE: SOUVENIRS FROM LONDON
http://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/collage-souvenirs-from-london/

COLLAGE: INTERVIEW WITH DAVID PYATT
http://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/collage-interview-with-david-pyatt/

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2016 - 4:03 AM   
 By:   philjun   (Member)

I've been on a Horner listening streak for some days now. After having pulled out virtually all his CDs from my collection and still wanting to listen to more of his music I came about a (cough, cough) "recording" of his concerto for four horns.

As you can easily tell I like Horner's body of work a lot, so I looked at the concerto quite favorably and gave the piece several listens. In the end I have to agree with the criticism in the "Classical Concert Review" – although I am not ok with the reviewer's tone of writing.

I don't mind a melodic approach to modern concert works. On the contrary. But Horner's horn concerto lacks freshness, development of musical ideas. Overall it sounds bland, somewhat erratic and incoherent (as if patched up). There's more "concert material" in some of his scores (i.e. LAND BEFORE TIME) than in this piece. I am really disappointed, I really wanted to like it.

I still have yet to hear his PAS DE DEUX. Hopefully I'll find it more satisfactory…

Best,
Philip

 
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