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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2      General Discussion: What do you think? Is it BERNSTEEN or BERNSTYNE?     1 2    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 12:13 PM     By:   Zooba   (Member) Hear how the Maestro says his own name at 5:56 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkHXZd8hVag Interesting that at the 2005 John Williams Hollywood Bowl Concert where Johnny paid tribute to his friends who had just passed away the year before, Jerry Goldsmith, David Raksin and Elmer, he pronounces it STYNE rhyming with ValenTINE (as in the day). Here is the Williams Tribute to the composers with his pronunciation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJeBPYK7C2c    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 12:23 PM     By:   The Thing   (Member) Well, he looks old enough in the video to know his name is BERNSTEEN. Unless it is BERNSTYNE, but his teachers kept on correcting it to BERNSTEEN during his school days, and he just went along with it rather than contradict them for fear of detention, lol. Teacher knows best, and all that.    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 12:25 PM     By:   Erik Woods   (Member) Elmer BernSTEEN. Leonard BernSTYNE... like Einstein. -Erik-    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 12:26 PM     By:   Octoberman   (Member) Everyone knows it's Frankenshteen, Froederick!    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 12:36 PM     By:   dpsternan   (Member) It's pronounced "Bernstyne." There is no debate, that's just the way you say it    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 12:53 PM     By:   Advise & Consent   (Member) I believe it rhymes with this fellows' name: at 00:13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p5AG0Tqh3A    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 1:43 PM     By:   roy phillippe   (Member) Elmer BernSTEEN. Leonard BernSTYNE... like Einstein. -Erik- When asked about this this Leonard's reply was that you don't play a steenway piano    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 2:20 PM     By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member) Everyone knows it's Frankenshteen, Froederick! thats funny. Igor. I always believed it to be Bernstyne.    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 3:43 PM     By:   Leo Nicols   (Member) Everyone knows it's Frankenshteen, Froederick! thats funny. Igor. I always believed it to be Bernstyne. What hump ??? lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxxSIX3fmmo    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 5:10 PM     By:   .   (Member) Bernard Herrmann dropped the -stein from his name soon after he was asked for his autograph by a woman who said she loved everything Rodgers and Herrmannstein had ever composed. Max Erstein got so fed up being confused with so many musicians with -stein at the end of their names, he decided to put his -stein at the front of his name instead, becoming known as Max Steiner.    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 5:24 PM     By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member) Fellas ... this has arisen ofttimes before. In everyday German it's pronounced 'Bernshtyne' (note that 'sh'.) In German the 'ei' dipthong is pronounced like 'eye' or 'why'. And an 'ie' is pronounced 'ee' as in feet. That's just how it is. Verstehen sie? So Leonard is 'correct'. BUT .... the Americanised families, eager to fit in, chose to pronounce the name in whatever way related to how people around them treated it. So Elmer's family were the Bernsteens. There's even a story, probably apocryphal that they met together and agreed to pronounce the name differently. And there's the old Hollywood jibe about Bernstein East and Bernstein West. So Leonard has it 'right' but Elmer knows how his family chose to pronounce it. It's like the Scottish name 'McKay' (as in 'The Big Country'). No Scottish person would ever pronounce it 'MaKay' as in 'day'. It's properly 'McKye' as in 'die'. But they just got fed up with people in the new country pronouncing it phonetically and gave in. Take Harvey Keitel. Before he came along, I'm afraid the most famous Keitel was a Nazi general of WWII, and it's properly in German pronounced 'KYE -del' as in 'idle'. But Harvey preferred the KaiTELL thing, so that's how he's known. It's an Ellis Island thing.    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 5:40 PM     By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member) So film score collectors in Germany say it right and everyone else in the soundtrack world since the magnificent seven has been saying it wrong???!    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 5:44 PM     By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member) So film score collectors in Germany say it right and everyone else in the soundtrack world since the magnificent seven has been saying it wrong???! No, his mum calls him Bernsteen, so it's okay.    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 5:56 PM     By:   Zooba   (Member) Thanks for all the contributions everyone. I guess in the end it's how the person themselves say it and for them that's the way it is. On STAR TREK TOS (OH NO! HERE GOES ZOOBA AGAIN ON STAR TREK!!!) Kirk and McCoy would always mispronounce something or a name that was mentioned by someone else on that show. Examples: In ARENA, the femenine looking alien called itself a Metron MEH-TRAHN and Kirk immediately called it a Metrone MEH-TRONE. In JOURNEY TO BABEL Spock's mother called Spock's childhood fang toothed teddy bear a SAYLOT and McCoy immediately called it a SEH-LUHT. In CORBOMITE MANEUVER Clint Howard Character's Puppet calls himself BAYLOCK and I believe McCoy changes it to BOW (like HOW) LICK. There's a million of them in ST TOS. KLINGONS and KLINGINS SAREK (as in stare) and SAHRIHK (SAWRICK)    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 6:02 PM     By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member) Man, im as confused as ive ever been. I think from now on i will call him...Elmer. Or you gonna tell me its Elmarr?!!!    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 6:10 PM     By:   Zooba   (Member) One of my bosses was named Dr. Omer and we always called him Dr. OHMAR. I have an acting friend named Amr which he and we pronounce AHMUR. TAH KYE, TAH KAY, OH MY, OH MAY Italians say: AJERIA GOLDASMEETA My ex-Girl from Ecuador would say ESTEVEN ESPEELBERG. But she was hot, so it was okay!    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 8:00 PM     By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member) BERNSTEEN. All may opine to their heart's delight, quote sources and devise rational arguments to support one position or another. But guess what? It was his family name, so he and they got to decide. BERNSTEEN. End of discussion. Leonard was surely entitled to his BERNSTYNE. Both brought great honor to their names, spelled the same but pronounced differently.    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 8:21 PM     By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member) BERNSTEEN. All may opine to their heart's delight, quote sources and devise rational arguments to support one position or another. But guess what? It was his family name, so he and they got to decide. BERNSTEEN. End of discussion. Leonard was surely entitled to his BERNSTYNE. Both brought great honor to their names, spelled the same but pronounced differently. That's what I said. When the family moved to America they changed it to Bernsteen, but it was previously Bernshtyne. You're quite right to say that's the right way to pronounce Elmer's name. But do remember that every German speaker, I mean EVERY German speaker knows how it originally was BEFORE they came to America. So know what you read when you read it.    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 8:31 PM     By:   PFK   (Member) Being born and raised in Boston, I pronounce his first name: Elmah No "R's" at the end please!    Posted:   Mar 22, 2015 - 8:32 PM     By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member) Being born and raised in Boston, I pronounce his first name: Elmah No "R's" at the end please! Hey, if he were from NY, it should by Boynsteen!     General Discussion: What do you think? 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