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 Posted:   Mar 15, 2015 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Wasn't the EINSTEIN created long after the original episode aired for the Remastered Editions?

There is no mention of the name, I believe in the episode itself and the original footage is just stock of the Galileo.

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2015 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Wasn't the EINSTEIN created long after the original episode aired for the Remastered Editions?

There is no mention of the name, I believe in the episode itself and the original footage is just stock of the Galileo.


Probably so. Of course this stuff didn't matter much at the time of production. Or would anyone ever think 50 years later we would be asking these questions. The name of the shuttle didn't matter in context of the episode.

I'm pretty sure there was an early 70's novelization of The Doomsday Machine. That's the earliest the shuttle may have been named.

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2015 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

Of course, the makers of the digital effects could have affixed any name they wished to the shuttle whether or not it matched the original version. The all seemed to be named after explorers.

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2015 - 6:45 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

The full sized Galileo mock up (without the II) was clearly seen and called by that name in "Metamorphosis." After that, it was usually just "shuttlecraft" when referred to in dialog.

I'm pretty sure there was an early 70's novelization of The Doomsday Machine. That's the earliest the shuttle may have been named.

Yep. it was novelized like every episode, but this version differed greatly from the aired episode in that Commodore Decker didn't do his suicide run and so the shuttlecraft wasn't used in the print story. Decker survived to the end of the tale, deciding not to command a starship again.

Too blurry to make out but it looks like the writing reads "Galileo" on the side of the hull. If there was a Galileo "Seven" then there must have been a fleet of Galileo shuttles. Galileo "Eight", "Nine", "Ten", etc. I never understood why they came up with Galileo II.

Edit: If "Galileo II" didn't appear until the third season then I would argue, it was a new "model" or "upgrade" of the original craft which is why a "II" was added. So it would have been Galileo II One, Two , Three, etc.


Nah, they just never changed the name on the mock up. There was only one shuttlecraft at a time named "Galileo." The other one we know specifically was the Columbus. In universe? Perhaps they replaced the shuttle at a starbase and rechristened it "Galileo." When Decker destroyed it, they got another, but slapped a II on it. Why? Maybe because they wanted to get ride of the "Galileo's are always destroyed" curse but Kirk really liked the name, so they just figured a "II" would be enough.

TRIVIA QUESTION

Which Star Trek TOS composer wrote the "Shuttlecraft" Theme and Launching Music that always accompanied the Shuttlecraft scenes in the various episodes?


Fred Steiner composed the music that was tracked onto the shuttlecraft launch in "The Galileo Seven," but it wasn't used as a theme after that. The next time we saw the launch was in "The Doomsday Machine," which had a new score by Sol Kaplan. In "The Immunity Syndrome," Steiner's opening music from "Mirror, Mirror" was used, but we didn't see the whole launch.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2015 - 8:24 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Here in the first few minutes of the Remastered JOURNEY TO BABEL, we see the GALILEO landing in the Shuttlebay carrying Ambassador Sarek and Wife. They also show the COLUMBUS already docked inside. Cool stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0llY_7hCds

 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2015 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Here in the first few minutes of the Remastered JOURNEY TO BABEL, we see the GALILEO landing in the Shuttlebay carrying Ambassador Sarek and Wife. They also show the COLUMBUS already docked inside. Cool stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0llY_7hCds


I think the new shots are cool, thought the CGI isn't so great. I know a lot of ppl hate it, but unlike Star Wars (Where I hated the CGI enchantments and changes) Star Trek had to use the same few optical effects shots for every episode. It's nice to see what could have been done if the budget was there.

 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2015 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I am fine with the idea of new effects, but I wasn't thrilled with the results. CBS didn't pour the necessary money or time into it, so the finished work is lacking something. They don't look like they belong against the filmed scenes made 45 years earlier. They certainly don't look like effects they would have made "if they had the budget" since swooping camera angles and diving shuttles were beyond the technology of the era. I would have preferred something along the lines of the Next Generation HD effects redo: a faithful recreation of the original effects that look great in high def. Have them look like they were filmed at the time. I would have also been okay with making them look like new shots evey week instead of reused shuttle launches and the like, but (like Babyon 5 years earlier) it just looks like footage shot on film spliced with computer generated stuff. I prefer the old school effects. At least they were all shot on the same film stock at around the same time, so they don't seem out of place.

 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2015 - 7:13 PM   
 By:   ST-321   (Member)

I am fine with the idea of new effects, but I wasn't thrilled with the results. CBS didn't pour the necessary money or time into it, so the finished work is lacking something. They don't look like they belong against the filmed scenes made 45 years earlier. They certainly don't look like effects they would have made "if they had the budget" since swooping camera angles and diving shuttles were beyond the technology of the era. I would have preferred something along the lines of the Next Generation HD effects redo: a faithful recreation of the original effects that look great in high def. Have them look like they were filmed at the time. I would have also been okay with making them look like new shots evey week instead of reused shuttle launches and the like, but (like Babyon 5 years earlier) it just looks like footage shot on film spliced with computer generated stuff. I prefer the old school effects. At least they were all shot on the same film stock at around the same time, so they don't seem out of place.

Exactly.

 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2015 - 9:57 PM   
 By:   TM2-Megatron   (Member)

I enjoy TOS Remastered, personally; if they'd just dropped film-quality CGI in there it would've looked weird... and a bit too polished for a show which was often more than a little cheesy. The effects we did get were good enough, IMO. They accomplish their goal of staying mostly true to the original feel of the episodes (unlike the CGI additions to the original Star Wars Trilogy) while making the Trek Universe feel a little more fleshed out and expansive.

Another way TOS Remastered is light-years ahead of the Star Wars Special Editions is that the original versions of each episode are right there on the same disc. I believe that's the primary reason they decided to use the CGI to create shots that weren't possible at the time rather than a more faithful recreation; because unlike TNG the original effects shots were available to be scanned straight in to HD resolution.

 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2015 - 10:37 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I enjoy TOS Remastered, personally; if they'd just dropped film-quality CGI in there it would've looked weird... and a bit too polished for a show which was often more than a little cheesy. The effects we did get were good enough, IMO. They accomplish their goal of staying mostly true to the original feel of the episodes (unlike the CGI additions to the original Star Wars Trilogy) while making the Trek Universe feel a little more fleshed out and expansive.

Another way TOS Remastered is light-years ahead of the Star Wars Special Editions is that the original versions of each episode are right there on the same disc. I believe that's the primary reason they decided to use the CGI to create shots that weren't possible at the time rather than a more faithful recreation; because unlike TNG the original effects shots were available to be scanned straight in to HD resolution.


This is pretty much my assessment. There was room for improvement, but I just loved seeing new beauty shots of the original Enterprise from different angles. Originally they were only going to recreate the exact same optical shots in CGI. Glad they moved away from that.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 17, 2015 - 7:01 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

Back when the remastering project was going on, there was an ongoing series on it at the official site (StarTrek.com) that covered the work, highlighting some of the changes and additions, and I seem to recall it specifically mentioning decisions made about shuttlecraft nomenclature for episodes like "The Menagerie", but I don't remember the details, and that coverage seems to have disappeared with a site update some years ago (around the time the first J. J. movie was in production).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2018 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

I bet Michael Okuda knows all about the DOOMSDAY MACHINE Shuttlecraft and it's story. He most likely named it The Einstein. I think he was in charge of the Remastered TOS Releases.

Put him on speaker!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2018 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Has any Trekker discussed how the introduction of the shuttlecraft around the production of 1st season episodes such as "The Conscience of the King" and "The Galileo Seven" had an inadvertently negative affect on Richard Matheson's story for "The Enemy Within"?

The dramatic 'race-against-the-clock' aspect of "The Enemy Within" to repair the transporter malfunction before Sulu and the landing party freeze to death on the planet below became invalidated by the creation of the shuttlecraft. The Enterprise crew could have simply sent a shuttlecraft down to the planet's surface prior to Sulu or any others getting frostbitten whilst Mr. Scott and the rest can figure how to fix the transporter.

 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2018 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Has any Trekker discussed how the introduction of the shuttlecraft around the production of 1st season episodes such as "The Conscience of the King" and "The Galileo Seven" had an inadvertently negative affect on Richard Matheson's story for "The Enemy Within"?

The dramatic 'race-against-the-clock' aspect of "The Enemy Within" to repair the transporter malfunction before Sulu and the landing party freeze to death on the planet below became invalidated by the creation of the shuttlecraft. The Enterprise crew could have simply sent a shuttlecraft down to the planet's surface prior to Sulu or any others getting frostbitten whilst Mr. Scott and the rest can figure how to fix the transporter.


Foggy memory, but I believe the Transporter was "invented" because Roddenberry didn't have the budget or time to construct a Shuttle Craft for transporting the crew from ship to planet when the show initially went into production.

 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2018 - 7:48 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

They conceived the transporter because they didn't have the money to make the ship land every week. Not to mention the designed of the Enterprise made landing the ship pretty difficult at best.

From what I understand, the plan was always for the Enterprise to have shuttles, but until AMT offered to build one in exchange for the rights to make a model kit out of it, they never could have afforded to make one, so it never came up in The Enemy Within. Since it was such an early episode, mentioning shuttles before introducing them to the audience would just risk confusion. Since The Galileo Seven was already in production, mentioning the shuttles and the hanger deck (and evening designing part of the set for them) in Conscience of the King made more sense.

It's easy enough to assume the severe atmospheric conditions on Alfa 177 made landing a shuttle to rescue Sulu and his landing party impossible. It's been more than good enough for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2024 - 4:42 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Remember having these for breakfast back in the day. "It's a good thing we live in the Milky Way." -Capt. Kirk.



 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2024 - 7:40 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I have no recollection of this and why is the box puke green in color?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2024 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Probably because the planet and quasar phenomena in the "Galileo 7" episode were green.
I've vomited many times in my life but never split-pea green so I never understood the association.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2024 - 7:21 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Probably because the planet and quasar phenomena in the "Galileo 7" episode were green.
I've vomited many times in my life but never split-pea green so I never understood the association.


Funny there's no Galileo on the packaging! Imagine C-3PO's cereal without C-3PO pictured on it?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2024 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Probably because the planet and quasar phenomena in the "Galileo 7" episode were green.
I've vomited many times in my life but never split-pea green so I never understood the association.


Funny there's no Galileo on the packaging! Imagine C-3PO's cereal without C-3PO pictured on it?


I noticed that too. I guess it emphasizes the joking aspect to the knowledgeable viewer, whereas showing the shuttle would reduce it to typical marketing. It's absence could also (jokingly) suggest the shuttle was named after the cereal, given that the shuttle wasn't introduced until later episodes.
A different rendition would be to decorate the box to look like the shuttle, since that's basically what it was, so kids could play with it.
Qualms aside, it's still an amusing fake product.

 
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