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 Posted:   Feb 22, 2015 - 7:07 AM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)


Also numerous references to Max Steiner's The Adventures of Don Juan in that score.


Aren't they actually WATCHING Don Juan when that music plays?


that's not a quote, it IS the Don Juan Main Title music


EDIT
also in the finale, when they are not watching, it is Don Juan, they rerecorded exactly the same music.
So musically speaking it is not a quote, at least in terms of composition techniques.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2015 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

Bernard Herrmann either intentionally or unintentionally quotes Miklos Rozsa's SPELLBOUND in OBSESSION. In "The Ferry" cue, the horns play Rozsa's "The Dressing Gown" theme. At least the notes match.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2015 - 10:22 AM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)

Bernard Herrmann either intentionally or unintentionally quotes Miklos Rozsa's SPELLBOUND in OBSESSION. In "The Ferry" cue, the horns play Rozsa's "The Dressing Gown" theme. At least the notes match.

of it is a quote, what is his intention? What do you think?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2015 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

Bernard Herrmann either intentionally or unintentionally quotes Miklos Rozsa's SPELLBOUND in OBSESSION. In "The Ferry" cue, the horns play Rozsa's "The Dressing Gown" theme. At least the notes match.

of it is a quote, what is his intention? What do you think?


Benny didn't seem like the type to copy or quote anyone. So I'm guessing he did it unintentionally. I'd be interested to read the opinions of others who have listened to "The Ferry" cue. Do you hear what I hear?

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2015 - 4:50 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

also in the finale, when they are not watching, it is Don Juan, they rerecorded exactly the same music.
So musically speaking it is not a quote, at least in terms of composition techniques.


True.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2015 - 5:12 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

The "Madness Motif" from Psycho being referenced in Star Wars.

Yes, that's an interesting one. I don't see how it could be meant as a contextual quote that should be recognized by the moviegoer (and even if they recognized it, it would make no contextual sense), yet it seems to be deliberate.
I wonder if that was an inside joke, if it was temp tracked with the piece, if it was simple homage to the (then) recently deceased Bernard Herrmann... I don't know.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2015 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   teriweigel1   (Member)

Cary Grant whistles the theme from "Charade" while making coffee in "Walk, Don't Run"...

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2015 - 6:11 AM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)

The "Madness Motif" from Psycho being referenced in Star Wars.

Yes, that's an interesting one. I don't see how it could be meant as a contextual quote that should be recognized by the moviegoer (and even if they recognized it, it would make no contextual sense), yet it seems to be deliberate.
I wonder if that was an inside joke, if it was temp tracked with the piece, if it was simple homage to the (then) recently deceased Bernard Herrmann... I don't know.


in which cue from Star Wars does it appear?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2015 - 8:39 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

in which cue from Star Wars does it appear?

The first few seconds of "The Stormtroopers", when the heroes come out from under the floor panels in the Millennium Falcon.


 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2015 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)

in which cue from Star Wars does it appear?

The first few seconds of "The Stormtroopers", when the heroes come out from under the floor panels in the Millennium Falcon.


I am not so familiar with the Psycho music. But I just listened to the Star Wars cue and I think there is no intentional quote there, because those notes are just a combination of notes you happen to write, so this is a coincidence IMO.
What would be the point to quote that here? Also for an insider joke, why here? The "motif" does not add anything as a quote, and such a mindful composer would place a quote in a way it would add something to the music

EDIT
just listened to the Psycho music you mean on a recording by Esa Pekka Salonen.
Not a quote, just a pair of intervalls with no specific rhythm, the original is too unspecific

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2015 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Pretty sure it's intentional, I even remember a featurette of some sort that mentions it.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2015 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)

Pretty sure it's intentional, I even remember a featurette of some sort that mentions it.

if you find that I 'll buy it.

what would the purpose be?
Just include a nod to Herrman?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2015 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   unamochilla2   (Member)

Paul Hirsch, one of the Star Wars editors, was interviewed for a documentary for the Psycho DVD and he mentioned using the Psycho motif in the temp track for Star Wars. I don't recall if he said Williams use of it was intentional. However, I've read elsewhere that Williams' use of the Psycho motif was NOT intended to be a nod to Herrmann, but simply it was in the temp track and Williams used it in the score. When I find the source, I will update my post. I guess only Williams knows for sure and I doubt he's ever been asked the question. Herrmann used that motif in a few of his other scores, including Taxi Driver.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2015 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)

Paul Hirsch, one of the Star Wars editors, was interviewed for a documentary for the Psycho DVD and he mentioned using the Psycho motif in the temp track for Star Wars. I don't recall if he said Williams use of it was intentional. However, I've read elsewhere that Williams' use of the Psycho motif was NOT intended to be a nod to Herrmann, but simply it was in the temp track and Williams used it in the score. When I find the source, I will update my post. I guess only Williams knows for sure and I doubt he's ever been asked the question. Herrmann used that motif in a few of his other scores, including Taxi Driver.

so it is some random material which appears by accident, which is not what
the idea of a quote is

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2015 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   unamochilla2   (Member)

Paul Hirsch, one of the Star Wars editors, was interviewed for a documentary for the Psycho DVD and he mentioned using the Psycho motif in the temp track for Star Wars. I don't recall if he said Williams use of it was intentional. However, I've read elsewhere that Williams' use of the Psycho motif was NOT intended to be a nod to Herrmann, but simply it was in the temp track and Williams used it in the score. When I find the source, I will update my post. I guess only Williams knows for sure and I doubt he's ever been asked the question. Herrmann used that motif in a few of his other scores, including Taxi Driver.

so it is some random material which appears by accident, which is not what
the idea of a quote is


That's true, if it was in the temp track, then it wasn't Williams' idea as a nod or paying homage considering Williams didn't create the temp track.

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2015 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   holdonmutha   (Member)

So the best and probably funniest example of a film composer referencing another film composer's score is in the movie "Maverick" when Danny Glover (a bank robber) tries to hold up the bank, and Mel Gibson (Bret Maverick) looks at him like he "knows him from somwhere", and procedes to pull of the Glover's mask.
They both look at each other like they know each other, and that's when composer Randy Newman references Michael Kamens guitar motif from the film Lethal Weapon. Its a moment where only film score geeks like me (us) would get all of the joke.

Check out Michael Kamen's guitar motif here at 2:01...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW8mvWJ8WQE

And check out Randy Newman's score reference here just after about 2:06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeKO3YAZA_Q

Hilarious!

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2019 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Listening to GOTHIC by Thomas Dolby .
Uses the rhythmic patina to from NXNW!

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2019 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

John Barry in "The Man With the Golden Gun" referenced the previous film's "Live and Let Die". It was a cute tounge-in-cheek reference.

(And while I brought up Bond, there was the scene in OHMSS with all the past gadgets and tracked music, another cute moment, and the guy whistling the "Goldfinger" theme at another point in the film.)


LALD?
Missed that one. I assume it has to do with the , hilarious' Sherrif Pepper?

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2019 - 10:05 PM   
 By:   erepel   (Member)

Wallfisch referencing Williams' Superman theme in Shazam?

 
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