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 Posted:   Jan 28, 2015 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

Posted on the Classic Horror Film Board:


Hi Guys,

Last Sunday I sat through Kevin Burns presentation on LIS on BR. And it's a ton of great news. All of the episodes have been re-mastered from the original film elements and sound recordings. Lost in Space will never look or sound better. Billy Mumy is working to coordinate the "extras" including new interviews and commentaries on the pilot episodes. Yes they have both pilots on the disks and have even found some missing clips and sounds. No release dates yet other than 2015, and I take it from some of the comments they are still adding content to the disk set. The current plan is to release all 3 seasons in one set and maybe in a B9 case.

Now, if you have been following the aspect ratio question they have a unique solution. As you know LIS was shown in the old "square" aspect ration of 1960's TV. However when it was shot the film recorded a wide screen image. When filming for TV they would draw lines on the side of the viewfinder to indicate the "safe area" this was to leave room for the optical soundtrack that would be added later and because TV sets of the day would not show the outer edges of the picture. When they scanned the film the technicians grabbed the whole frame even in the safe zone, yielding a windscreen format of LIS we have never seen.

This sounds great, however, the folks working on the set in the 60's all knew about the safe area, and when working at the speeds they were if a light stand or set clamp was int the shot but not in the safe area they would go ahead and shoot knowing that part of the film would never be seen. Until now. I have always felt that the original artist only meant for us to see the original squareish format, and they composited the shots for the small screen. Showing the full frame is the same as George Lucas "fixing" Star Wars. It was not that way originally, leave it alone. Having said that seeing LIS on the a big screen at the con filling up the wide 16:9 ratio in HD was breathtaking.

So, this is the long way around to their unique approach. The Blu-ray disks will be in the original format. What's called "pillar box," with black bars on the sides filling the space so the picture look as it did when originally broadcast, even on a wide screen TV. However the episode broadcast on stations like ME-TV, Netflix and Amazon streaming, will be the wide screen versions. So the hard core collectors, like us, who will be buying the blu-ray's get the show as it was, and the new fans seeing it for the first time will get the more modern wide screen version. I think this is the perfect compromise. "Why not put both versions on the Blu-ray?" I hear you ask. Unfortunately it's too cost prohibitive. It's 85 plus hours of content, and the disks will be expensive enough. Who knows maybe someday they will release a wide screen blu-ray, until then you can always download the wide version.

Couple of other notes before I wrap up this long post. Sheila Allen fronted the $700K to do the re-mastering with no grantee from Fox they would distribute them. That was a huge risk and shows how much she really loved us fans. AND now that Fox is again interested in LIS, they are looking at starting up a new show.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2015 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Well I'm disappointed there won't be a wide screen version for purchase. Will this be on iTunes? Perhaps that will have the wide screen format? If the remaster is anything like the sampled version from a few years ago I am confident it's going to look fantastic. Thanks for the update, still exciting news!

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2015 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

It's possible that if enough widescreen interest is shown, they might offer a widescreen set.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2015 - 4:01 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Would be cool if they could do Isolated Music Scores like they did on the THRILLER and TWILIGHT ZONE Releases.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2015 - 4:39 PM   
 By:   MRAUDIO   (Member)

I think I would be happier with a WIDESCREEN Blu Ray set - it just makes sense since most folks now have Widescreen HDTVs (like me) at home.

Oh well, I will most likely pick up the set when available...:-)

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2015 - 5:38 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Sheila Allen fronted the $700K to do the re-mastering with no grantee from Fox they would distribute them. That was a huge risk and shows how much she really loved us fans.


That's fantastic. She's an adorable ol' gal and her affection for the show is heartwarming.
Between her and Billy Mumy I don't think one could ask for better custodians of the show--despite the treatment it's gotten thus far.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2015 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Sheila Allen fronted the $700K to do the re-mastering with no grantee from Fox they would distribute them. That was a huge risk and shows how much she really loved us fans.


That's fantastic. She's an adorable ol' gal and her affection for the show is heartwarming.
Between her and Billy Mumy I don't think one could ask for better custodians of the show--despite the treatment it's gotten thus far.


Totally agree.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2015 - 6:11 PM   
 By:   Browny   (Member)

Unfortunately though, Sheila Mathews Allen passed away in November 2013 at the age of 84. Too bad she didn't see this whole new distribution deal on Blu-ray come to fruition.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2015 - 9:56 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Unfortunately though, Sheila Mathews Allen passed away in November 2013 at the age of 84. Too bad she didn't see this whole new distribution deal on Blu-ray come to fruition.


Damn! Usually I'm up on those kinds of details.
That makes it doubly good that she ponied up the dough before passing away. I can't see anyone else having a big enough heart to have done that.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2015 - 10:16 PM   
 By:   Browny   (Member)

I believe Sheila was still on the board of management of Irwin Allen Productions right up to her death and was loved by many fans of LIS as well as The Poseidon Adventure and The Towering Inferno -- productions of her late husband that she appeared in.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2015 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

This, from a post at Blu-ray.com:

xxxxxxx

The history of Lost in Space on home video is a long and drawn out story.

Most people don't realize that Fox actually let their home video distribution rights lapse for Lost in Space and other Irwin Allen properties almost 15 years ago. The rights to Lost in Space reverted to a series of partners.

Kevin Burns and Jon Jasni formed Synthesis Entertainment for the express purpose of bringing the partners together and promoting the Irwin Allen properties. Kevin Burns is a huge Lost in Space fan but he is also an active TV producer and is well versed in the technical aspects of home video. Synthesis shopped the Allen properties around to various other companies but eventually came back to a deal with Fox. So Lost in Space was lost for awhile but eventually found it's way home.

xxxxxxx

So...I suppose sometimes it's a good thing when a studio loses control of a production. As Fox has all but given up on Blu-ray, if they still owned it outright would they still be releasing it? Happily Fox are licensing out movies to smaller companies to release.

And a salute to the late Sheila Mathews Allen for paying for the HD transfers.

 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2015 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Fascinating stuff. It's infuriating when companies hold copyrights and do nothing with the properties. Looks like we have a happy ending here.

 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2015 - 10:05 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Someone asked me for clarification and now I am confused. The series was shot in "wide-screen", but formatted for square televisions? So we never saw the right and left side of the image. But there are lights and other on set equipment in some "wide-screen" shots? (Which were cropped out of the square format) But if you see it in "wide-screen" the equipment is visible? Or did they digitally remove that stuff that shouldn't be seen on screen? Or did they create a "wide-screen" image from the safe square image area taking information away from the top and bottom?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2015 - 11:22 PM   
 By:   SOSAYWEALL   (Member)

Perhaps they will release the original full frame presentation & later release a separate newly manufactured 'widescreen' version, it was done for the Blu-Ray release of the original Battlestar Galactica series (though that was released simultaneously).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2015 - 11:31 PM   
 By:   SOSAYWEALL   (Member)

Someone asked me for clarification and now I am confused. The series was shot in "wide-screen", but formatted for square televisions? So we never saw the right and left side of the image. But there are lights and other on set equipment in some "wide-screen" shots? (Which were cropped out of the square format) But if you see it in "wide-screen" the equipment is visible? Or did they digitally remove that stuff that shouldn't be seen on screen? Or did they create a "wide-screen" image from the safe square image area taking information away from the top and bottom?

The show was shot full frame and they are creating a 'Widescreen' image from the safe square image as you have said. This is being done more and more now, the Buffy the Vampire Slayer television series is also being reformatted this way, pissing off Joss Whedon enormously.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 4:17 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

The show was shot full frame and they are creating a 'Widescreen' image from the safe square image as you have said. This is being done more and more now, the Buffy the Vampire Slayer television series is also being reformatted this way, pissing off Joss Whedon enormously.

Some LIS scenes will look amazing this way, but in other places you're going to see what you shouldn't (lights, plywood, 2 by 4's) at the sides, and miss something you ought to see that was cropped off the top or bottom (even using the full width of the film, I'm sure they'll still have to crop the height somewhat).

I think the first season of BUFFY was shot on 16mm film for budgetary reasons, and it shows as a lower resolution or graininess on TV. Cropping off the top and bottom, and then blowing the image up to fill the vertical part of wide-screen TVs, is going to make that Season 1 issue worse. Plus you lose things that were in the frame. It's dumb. Wide-screen is just not that important for things originally shot in 4:3.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

I'm not that convinced with what they call widescreen filming, exposing the whole frame soundtrack area & all (which is not really widescreen), like they used to do in the silent days (now called super 35). I suppose they could have been using very old cameras from the Fox camera dept. If you look at the tests, you can see there's still a lot of picture lost from the top & bottom of the frame in the 16:9 tests, & not that much more picture at the sides, it still looks good, but it's losing picture to get that shape. I think we're all happy with 4x3, & we're seeing a lot more of the 4x3 frame than we did on telly in the sixties. They lost a bit of picture all round in telecine & then lost a lot more on domestic TV's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b61MAqktMc

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Someone asked me for clarification and now I am confused. The series was shot in "wide-screen", but formatted for square televisions? So we never saw the right and left side of the image. But there are lights and other on set equipment in some "wide-screen" shots? (Which were cropped out of the square format) But if you see it in "wide-screen" the equipment is visible? Or did they digitally remove that stuff that shouldn't be seen on screen? Or did they create a "wide-screen" image from the safe square image area taking information away from the top and bottom?

The show was shot full frame and they are creating a 'Widescreen' image from the safe square image as you have said. This is being done more and more now, the Buffy the Vampire Slayer television series is also being reformatted this way, pissing off Joss Whedon enormously.


Thanks for the explanation.

Replying to other comments- I don't really see the problem making it fake wide screen and actually filling the screen. I've seen all of Star Trek TOS remastered and I love the wide screen effect. I never once thought to myself the composition is all out of wack now. I never had a problem with top and bottom bars in the old days of wide screen projection on smaller televisions, but I really hate pillar bars on wide screen televisions. Just personally watching a square image on a giant rectangle is just distracting for me.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 5:41 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I've seen all of Star Trek TOS remastered and I love the wide screen effect. I never once thought to myself the composition is all out of wack now. I never had a problem with top and bottom bars in the old days of wide screen projection on smaller televisions, but I really hate pillar bars on wide screen televisions. Just personally watching a square image on a giant rectangle is just distracting for me.


TOS-R is in wide screen? That must be on the Blu-ray version, then? Because the remastered DVDs and the syndy broadcasts are 4:3.

BTW, pillar-box 4:3 looks terrific to me. It's better than it ever looked on the old TVs.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 5:45 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I've seen all of Star Trek TOS remastered and I love the wide screen effect. I never once thought to myself the composition is all out of wack now. I never had a problem with top and bottom bars in the old days of wide screen projection on smaller televisions, but I really hate pillar bars on wide screen televisions. Just personally watching a square image on a giant rectangle is just distracting for me.


TOS-R is in wide screen? That must be on the Blu-ray version, then? Because the remastered DVDs and the syndy broadcasts are 4:3.

BTW, pillar-box 4:3 looks terrific to me. It's better than it ever looked on the old TVs.


I believe the BR's have both the original square format and wide-screen versions. (I don't own them yet) I saw them on broadcast television after they were remastered. They were wide-screen.

 
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