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 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   Panavision70   (Member)

From TMZ.

www.tmz.com/2015/01/23/12-years-a-slave-soundtrack-lawsuit-stole-music-hans-zimmer/

"12 Years a Slave" may have shamelessly ripped off "Desperate Housewives" ... if you believe a new lawsuit.

Famed composer Hans Zimmer is the culprit ... so claims the guy who composed the song for that Housewives show.


Also from New York Daily News.

www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/12-years-slave-composer-sued-movie-score-report-article-1.2089961

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   MKRUltra   (Member)

I doubt actual plagiarism -- Zimmer's bland, simplistic, generic cue probably just happens to sound like another bland, simplistic, generic cue.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Absolutely ridiculous.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

Richard who? I have not always been the biggest Zimmer fan, but the idea of him sitting down and blatantly plagiarizing somebody else's work seems rather absurd for a guy at this point in his career.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

I doubt actual plagiarism -- Zimmer's bland, simplistic, generic cue probably just happens to sound like another bland, simplistic, generic cue.




At least you were able to add a thoughtful, reasoned reply. Thanks for your sharp insight.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

After listening to both, I don't think this guy stands a chance. He's reaching.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Richard who? I have not always been the biggest Zimmer fan, but the idea of him sitting down and blatantly plagiarizing somebody else's work seems rather absurd for a guy at this point in his career.

And then you consider this - http://youtu.be/TQ9_6W6bVoQ

Versus this - http://youtu.be/aI4iCx7LnbY

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   c8   (Member)

Zimmer's been using that same progression of notes since The Thin Red Line...Journey to the Line in particular. Its shown up quite a bit since, particularly in Inception. Not that Zimmer is beyond helping himself to others' work--there's quite a bit of Mahler in Gladiator and that kerfuffle was justified--but this absolutely is not one of those cases. Zimmer will have no problem coming out on top on this one.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Zimmer's been using that same progression of notes since The Thin Red Line...

then Zimmer should counter-sue that guy for plagiarism him.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Zimmer's been using that same progression of notes since The Thin Red Line...

then Zimmer should counter-sue that guy for plagiarism him.


Hah. Absolutely. smile

Greg Espinoza

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

--there's quite a bit of Mahler in Gladiator and that kerfuffle was justified--but this absolutely is not one of those cases.


Wagner surely ... and Holst ... and Prokofiev .... and Badelt ... and Vangelis .... and .....

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

The two tunes are totally different after the first four notes. Those notes are really just two intervals of diminished thirds, one a little lower than the other.

The similarities in the harmonics are pretty generic to that sort of elegaic scoring.


Whether he wins or loses, the real upshot is that such themes rely on harmonisations and intervals rather than melody. It needs said that Zim's is the simpler of the two.

It could well be temp-track love yet again, in which case the producers are in for it, rather than the composer.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 3:36 PM   
 By:   c8   (Member)

--there's quite a bit of Mahler in Gladiator and that kerfuffle was justified--but this absolutely is not one of those cases.


Wagner surely ... and Holst ... and Prokofiev .... and Badelt ... and Vangelis .... and .....


Holst is what I was thinking anyway. Mars, Bringer of War written by Mahler. I wonder what planet I woke up on this morning.

Get it...wonder what planet........oh dear............*crickets chirp*

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 7:35 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

He should be sued for the tinnitus he's caused me over the decades.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 7:40 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

He should be sued for the tinnitus he's caused me over the decades.

You can sue for that? Oh wow...'I'm in the money...ho ho my honey...' smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 8:23 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

The two tunes are totally different after the first four notes. Those notes are really just two intervals of diminished thirds, one a little lower than the other.

The similarities in the harmonics are pretty generic to that sort of elegaic scoring.


Whether he wins or loses, the real upshot is that such themes rely on harmonisations and intervals rather than melody. It needs said that Zim's is the simpler of the two.

It could well be temp-track love yet again, in which case the producers are in for it, rather than the composer.


After listening to the above tracks once it's my opinion that there is no particular similarity. If there is a glimmer of likeness then I don't even think it's the first four chords - two at most! Plus the keys sound completely different to me, the rhythm, melodic development etc. As you say, their commonality seems to be the (by now VERY familiar) elergiac, generic mid-western character. If you were going to sue on that basis then Aaron Copland would be the richest ghost in the whole wide world.

At face value ludicrous in my opinion.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 8:32 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Yeah this lawsuit is completely ridiculous. Both sound like completely generic Americana scores. Aside from that neither sounds like a copy of each other.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 11:12 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

With so many composers today sounding alike, I'm surprised this wasn't a class action lawsuit.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2015 - 12:29 AM   
 By:   Mr. Big   (Member)

As much as I dislike Zimmer's score for 12 Years a Slave, I can't help but feel these claims are completely bogus.

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2015 - 5:53 AM   
 By:   Moonie   (Member)

Zimmer Rules , the guy who is suing is a idiot

 
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