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 Posted:   Jan 22, 2015 - 9:10 PM   
 By:   batroc   (Member)

Why is it that it seems EVERY ITALIAN FILM SCORE EVER RECORDED (not just Morricone, Donnagio, etc) has a CD released? Does this mean that the Master Tapes for all these obscure movies from the 1960's and 70's have been SAVED -- while classic American & British score Masters are routinely listed as lost or missing? WHASSUP?!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2015 - 9:21 PM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

Why is it that it seems EVERY ITALIAN FILM SCORE EVER RECORDED (not just Morricone, Donnagio, etc) has a CD released? Does this mean that the Master Tapes for all these obscure movies from the 1960's and 70's have been SAVED -- while classic American & British score Masters are routinely listed as lost or missing? WHASSUP?!!

Well not quite every soundtrack. Morricone has close to 95%+ released like Goldsmith or Williams, but for most Italian composers, only a small fraction has been released, much like most US composers from this period. Although, certainly, and for some reason unknown to me, the US label seems a bit disinterested in releasing more 60s and 70s soundtracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2015 - 10:26 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Although, certainly, and for some reason unknown to me, the US labels seem a bit disinterested in releasing more 60s and 70s soundtracks.


You'll notice that many of these Italian releases now come with editions limited to 500 copies--and still don't sell out.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2015 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

This is something i posted with concern not so long ago.
In one way, great that so much is being rescued and saved forever on digital however - like so many things the italians do, they drown in something till no one wants it anymore. My fear is there have been so many releases that collectors simply switch off to it and cant possibly get them all. Equally its already a busy market in what is still a world recession albeit shoots of recovery on horizon. I suppose my fear is instead of a steady flow we get boom and bust, then no one releases anything.
There just seems so many labels swamping the market. Ok most ital westerns sell a decent number - as Bob points out, what was routinely 1000 with sometimes extra pressing has cut to 500, sometimes even less. , giallo and epics sell up to a point, but non morricone comedies are the kiss of death and sex films fair not much better.
You also have to remember the demographics and age range of italian music collectors. Most italian western collectors are at a pinch 55, but more likely 60-70 or older. So a dwindling number unlikely to be replaced by no more than a handful of younger people- when you attended a film fair in London in the early 80s there would be a dozen keen western nuts who would pay through the nose for what they wanted. Nowadays you would be lucky to find 2 attending. And they would be discerning and picky about what they bought.
Maybe the labels think milk the market dry while the few numbers are still there.
Its a sad reality though. A once thriving interest has already lost a lot of its customers!

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2015 - 9:54 AM   
 By:   Urs Lesse   (Member)

Are there re-use fees in Italy, and if yes, are they similarly high as in the US?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2015 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Good for the Italians for taking care of their tapes. England must be the worse country for keeping soundtrack tapes, it seems the tapes are on their way to a landfill site right after the film is released.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2015 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   tyuan   (Member)

I'm from Italy and I'm a soundtrack fan and collector.
I can assure you that thousands (repeat: thousands) of italian scores still are missing on cd, and lots of them will be never released because of their lost master tapes.
The medium italian collector age is between 35 and 50 year old.

500 pieces: most of them are sold out of Italy, mostly in Japan, USA, UK and Germany.
Unfortunately Italian collectors of italian scores are very few.
I'm truly thankful to all You "not italian" collectors: lots of italian scores have become available on cd in because outside Italy there's a good request.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2015 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   tyuan   (Member)

double post sorry

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2015 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

If you look at the totality of the US releases that have happened in the last 20 or so years you will see the vast majority of in demand releases out there. That is why many have called this THE golden age of film scores. but us aficionados have our pet projects (which are usually the lost or legally troubled scores) that don't seem to be addressed.

The depressing part is the perception about EVERY ITALIAN FILM SCORE EVER RECORDED is (as Tyuan above says) totally erroneous and sounds like it comes from someone who doesn't care for those. "There are too many of those and not enough of mine". Well there are quite a number of Morricone scores that still seem MIA. Plus many Italian scores that look like will never see the light of day and there is no Tadlow type entity that might be able to make up for it.

And may I say that, like in America, Golden Age scores are the most neglected and in worse trouble than ever. Most of those simply don't exist because of wartime and other factors.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2015 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

"There are too many of those and not enough of mine".

That's exactly right - this thread is actually nothing to do with Italian scores, even though some interesting comments have emerged. We all want more of what we like.. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2015 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I don't mind the amount of Italian scores being released as I'm usually only interested in the giallo/thriller/horror titles and those don't make the batch every time. I'm glad labels like Beat, Cinevox, GDM, ... continue to release gems from composers like Morricone, Ortolani, Donaggio, Frizzi, Mainetti, ...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2015 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

My fear is there have been so many releases that collectors simply switch off to it and cant possibly get them all.


That pretty much describes me. Five or ten years ago, I'd pick up most Italian scores where the samples intrigued me. But there have been so many releases, now I'll only spring for a score if I've heard of the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2015 - 4:01 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Does this mean that the Master Tapes for all these obscure movies from the 1960's and 70's have been SAVED -- while classic American & British score Masters are routinely listed as lost or missing? WHASSUP?!!

Yes, that is precisely the situation.
Those master tapes of recording sessions done in Italy have been in vaults for 50+ years.
A lot of the soundtrack CDs that come from the Italian labels contain music which, for whatever reason, wasn't issued during their composers lifetimes.
Carlo Rustichelli tried for years to get this music for Mario Bava's WHIP AND THE BODY released from the C.A.M. vaults and not until after his death in 2004 did this one surface onto CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2015 - 5:54 PM   
 By:   batroc   (Member)

Does this mean that the Master Tapes for all these obscure movies from the 1960's and 70's have been SAVED -- while classic American & British score Masters are routinely listed as lost or missing? WHASSUP?!!

Yes, that is precisely the situation.
Those master tapes of recording sessions done in Italy have been in vaults for 50+ years.
A lot of the soundtrack CDs that come from the Italian labels contain music which, for whatever reason, wasn't issued during their composers lifetimes.
Carlo Rustichelli tried for years to get this music for Mario Bava's WHIP AND THE BODY released from the C.A.M. vaults and not until after his death in 2004 did this one surface onto CD.


Thanks for the intelligent and knowledgeable reply! I meant no disrespect to Italian Movie Composers, just seemed like a sort of double-standard that so many obscure Italian scores have surfaced while so many American scores remain lost to time!

Viva Italia!

 
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