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 Posted:   Nov 6, 2002 - 2:19 AM   
 By:   DOGBELLE   (Member)

from the house of wax
the samuel goldwyn motion picture production of
Porgy and Bess
starring
sidney poitier, dorothy dandridge, sammy davis,jr, pearl bailey
Music by george gershwin
libretto by DuBose Heyward
lyrics by mr.heyward and Ira
Gershwin.
music supervised and conducted by Andre Previn
Associate: Ken Darby
screenplay by N.Richard Nash
and the voice o f Ribert McFerrin.jr
Directed by Otto Premminger
Sammy davis,jr acts and sings in the move but not on the record. Cab Calloway sings his part as "sportin' life"
.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2002 - 4:37 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

There is much controversy over this version. The rights to it are currently controlled by the Rodgers and Hammerstein foundation, and, because they severely disapprove of it, chiefly because it is not the operatic version, but rather the truncated pseudo-Broadway musical version, they won't let anyone see it, let alone release it to video.

Frankly, as someone who has seen it, both in a theatre and on television, I can't say that anyone is missing all that much. It is a very static movie. "I Loves You, Porgy," for instance, is filmed for almost the full 6 minutes of the song, with one single shot, of Porgy and Bess embraced, framed in a doorway. Maybe Preminger wanted to emphasize the music, which is gloriously performed, although, except for Pearl Bailey and Brock Peters, all the major players were dubbed, including Poitier, Dandridge, and even Diahann Carroll. Since practically all the action takes place in and around the basic Catfish Row set, the film has more of the look of a filmed stage play, which is really more or less what it is. It's just not terribly good.

The lp was lovely, though, and I still play it occasionally.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2002 - 5:35 AM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

It's worse than that. Every Technicolor print but one of the original, full-length version has "gone to vinegar," and that remaining print is in private hands, unavailable even to its authorized copyright holder.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2002 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

About two years ago the rights were cleared up and mgm video was palnning on doing a video and DVD but was held up because they could not find all of the original elements to do a transfer. When all was found, MGM found it would take too much money to restore the film, and since they only have the Goldwyn films for a limited time, they did not want to spend the money. The film shoud be available, eventhough it is not a great film.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2002 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

It's worse than that. Every Technicolor print but one of the original, full-length version has "gone to vinegar," and that remaining print is in private hands, unavailable even to its authorized copyright holder.

Ugh, how unfortunate. Who has that print, and is that party willing to permit access to it to allow the film to survive?

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2002 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   RcM   (Member)

Whoever has the print, it will be screened soon in Hollywood by the American Cinemateque. From it's website:

Friday, November 29 – 7:30 PM

Original 4-Track Stereo Technicolor Print – Complete Version!!

PORGY & BESS, 1959, George Gershwin Trust/Samuel Goldwyn Co./MGM-UA, 138 min. Director Otto Preminger’s sumptuous film adaptation of the classic George Gershwin musical stars Sidney Poitier and the heavenly Dorothy Dandridge as starcrossed lovers on Catfish Row, surrounded by a phenomenal supporting cast including Sammy Davis Jr., Pearl Bailey, Brock Peters and Diahann Carroll. Four-track stereo sound was never used to better effect than in PORGY & BESS, seen here in an original Technicolor print of the incredibly rare, full-length version, featuring the complete score with "Summertime," "It Ain’t Necessarily So," "I Got Plenty Of Nothin’" and other songs.
Discussion following with actor Brock Peters, Hope Preminger (Mrs. Otto Preminger), Ingo Preminger and other guests, moderated by film historian Foster Hirsch (schedules permitting).


 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2002 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   cinemel   (Member)

I'm jealous of the folks out in L.A. I saw the original release of "Porgy" in Todd A-O in NYC. After it's first run it played at a local theater where a friend was an usher and I sat through the film many times. I just remember it fondly. It was my first exposure to the music. The presence of Poitier, Dandridge, Bailey and Sammy Davis, Jr. alone make it a part of cinema history and definitely should be available to the public. The music is gloriously sung. It was released on CD which I paid dearly for since it was an import. Unfortunately, much of the music in the film is missing from the soundtrack album. Of course, Sammy is not on the recording, so his performances of It Ain't Necessarily So and There's a Boat That's Leaving Soon for NY are buried in the film.
Please, let the powers that be let the present generation judge for themselves.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2002 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

I'm jealous of the folks out in L.A. I saw the original release of "Porgy" in Todd A-O in NYC.
The music is gloriously sung. It was released on CD which I paid dearly for since it was an import. Unfortunately, much of the music in the film is missing from the soundtrack album.

Of course, Sammy is not on the recording, so his performances of It Ain't Necessarily So and There's a Boat That's Leaving Soon for NY are buried in the film.

Please, let the powers that be let the present generation judge for themselves.


I agree, let audiences decide for themselves!

Also the movie may appear "static" on pan-scan TV versions, but this may not be the case when projected on a giant screen or at least given a proper letterbox treatment on TV. Afterall P&B was filmed in 70mm Todd-AO.

It would be wonderful to have an expanded CD from the original music elements, however I doubt this will ever happen before the movie is made available to general audiences again.

I only saw P&B on TV many years ago and I wonder how much was missing from the TV prints as opposed to the full length roadshow version? Can someone answer?

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2002 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   MWRuger   (Member)

I believe the Gershwin (who hated this film version) estate controls this film and purportedly that is why this film is not broadcast or available.

The UCLA Film and Television institute has a restored print that they show from time to time on an invitation only basis, I am told, by a friend of mine who did a remastering of the soundtrack album for the AMPAS and UCLA archives (He did a great job too!).

So at least a good print does remain. Whether it will ever see release is a question for litigious types to answer.

Whether it is a great film or not, it is a chance to see some of the finest black actors and actresses of a generation in their prime and not relegated to minor roles.

Interesting note: As has been previously mention, Sammy Davis’s voice could not be used on the soundtrack album due to contractual obligations to another record label, Columbia I think, so as a fill in they got Cab Calloway singing “It Ain't Necessarily So“ and "There's a Boat That's Leavin' Soon For New York". While I would love to hear Sammy Davis’s versions, these are very nice!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2002 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

Ira Gershwin did hate the film but, as noted above, the film's rights are now controlled by the Rodgers and Hammerstein Organization.

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2002 - 10:12 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)



Ugh, how unfortunate. Who has that print, and is that party willing to permit access to it to allow the film to survive?



Probably the same person who has that complete, original print of Judy's "A STAR IS BORN".
C'mon Warners ... talk to the man !

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2002 - 10:42 PM   
 By:   MICHAEL HOMA   (Member)

SIDNEY POITIER did not want to do PORGY AND BESS, saying that it was racist and did not present the black man in a favorable light. At the time, he wanted to do THE DEFIANT ONES, and was told by Goldwyn that unless he did PORGY, he could not do THE DEFIANT ONES. Thus he reluctantly made the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2002 - 11:40 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

....re: Poiter.."Porgy"...and "Defiant Ones"...

The time-frame of this seems off to me. "Defiant Ones" was released in 1958, "Porgy and Bess" in 1959. Each were independent productions for Stanley Kramer and Samuel Goldwyn respectively, and, to the best of my knowledge, Poitier was also an independent artist, making pictures for Warner Bros, MGM, and others and not under contract to Sam Goldwyn for anything other than this film.

It's also important to remember that "Porgy and Bess" was ready to go with Lena Horne and Harry Belafonte on sets already built, when a fire (of mysterious Hollywood origin) destroyed them all, as well as a soundstage or two on the Goldwyn lot.

Incidentally, I've seen 35mm Technicolor/4-trk stereo prints of "Porgy and Bess" on several occasions out here in the past 10-12 years from different sources...they were beautiful...and I suspect there are more prints out there than collectors want to reveal yet!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2002 - 12:41 AM   
 By:   MICHAEL HOMA   (Member)

In his autobiography THIS LIFE, Sydney Poitier says that he was friends with Harry Belafonte and that Belafonte was very upset when Poitier decided to do Porgy. "He didn't buy my reasoning for doing the film," says Poiter. "Which was that I would do PORGY AND BESS so I could do the other picture, THE DEFIANT ONES. He would have preferred me just to walk away from the whole thing." Never does he say Belafonte was ever offered the role, and if so he would have turned it down flat (in Poitier's opinion) by the above quote.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2002 - 1:40 AM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

...All of this is very curious and perhaps someone else can jump in who remembers the 50's, too. Belafonte and Horne did an RCA cast album of "Porgy and Bess" around that time, so he can't have been that put off by the material.
As I recall, Rouben Mamoulian was scheduled to direct the Belafonte-Horne version (...and I suspect Mamoulian would have made it livelier on screen.) When everything was destroyed, Goldwyn set Preminger, and a new cast. Over the years I have heard rumors of (how can I put it delicately?) "differences" of opinion on how Preminger and Belafonte looked upon the Black experience, and it's possible that since Belafonte didn't want to work with Preminger again, having had that opportunity on "Carmen Jones", he was warning Poitier as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2002 - 2:26 AM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

Michael Homa....YOU ARE RIGHT!!

I decided to go into my movie clipping collection and see what I had, which was a lot.
I have in front of me about 10 of 60 clippings relating to this. There is no mention of Belafonte-Horne. (I suspect that somewhere along the line they were on Goldwyn's "wish"
list and he expressed it in print long before final casting, and that's where I picked it up.)
At the point of the fire, Poitier, Dandridge, and the others were cast and ready to go under Rouben Mamoulian's direction (...THAT I remembered correctly!) When the fire delayed things, Poitier was released to make "Defiant Ones", with the understanding he would return, which he did. By that point, however, Mamoulian came to blows with Goldwyn over "creative differences" after Mamoulian had prepared the whole film and worked with all the principal actors on the concept. Mamoulian was fired, and many were very upset at the substitution of Preminger (who Goldwyn had, indeed, chosen because of "Carmen Jones"). From an uncited yellowed LA Times clipping...
..I asked Sidney Poitier how he felt about this since he was persuaded to do "Porgy" by Mamoulian. He said, "I felt betrayed. I worked with Mr. Mamoulian for two months and there was rapport between actor and director, and that's the way we all felt. Now there'll be an entirely different approach. We don't know what will happen...."

Leigh Whipper, who had appeared as "The Crabman" on Broadway in the 30's under Mamoulian's direction resigned from the Preminger-planned film, stating that he bowed out of the part as a "matter of conscience" to himself, his country and his race.

The Screen Director's Guild got into the fray over Mamoulian's firing, and it was a lengthy controversy, but, at the film's finish, The SDG Board denied screen credit to Mamoulian for his extensive preparation.

There is a lengthy Life Magazine article (from February 16...1959?) about all this for all who want to search it out.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2002 - 2:36 AM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

....Oh, and here's another one that's pertinent!
LA Times, ca. Spring, 1958....

...."Speaking of 'Porgy and Bess', the $6,500,000 Goldwyn opus (Todd-AO added $1,500,000 to the original budget) goes into pre-recording today at the producer's studio as Andre Previn begins conducting a 105-piece orchestra-choral group. The recording session is expected to take two months. Shooting starts in mid-July"....

(The LA Times had a Thursday Morning, July 3, 1958 front page on the fire which had occurred on Wednesday...."Irene Sharaff, costume designer, breaks into tears as she sees all of her costumes for 'Porgy and Bess' lost in fire that swept Sound Stage 8 on Goldwyn lot. Behind her is Art Director Joe Wright, who built movie's set."

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2002 - 3:57 AM   
 By:   Mack Gray 1940   (Member)

I once sat next to Cab Calloway on a flight from Denver to AlbQQ in 1988. He flew coach. He had a white suit on, open shirt with a giant medallion around his neck. We spoke a bit. He seemed like a very nice guy. He toured as Sportin' Life extensively. I picked up the soundtrack in Italy a few years ago. It's on Sony Masterworks. Made in Austria. Was Preminger still having an affair with Dandridge when they filmed 'Porgy & Bess', the one that started on 'Carmen Jones' ?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2002 - 9:04 AM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

Mamoulian certainly would have made a far more visually-arresting film than Preminger was capable of. Of course, had Mamoulian been occupied with PORGY AND BESS through 1958 and 1959, he might not've been engaged by Walter Wanger as the original director on CLEOPATRA, which would've sent that production spinning in a whole different direction. It might then have resulted in an entirely different film from the one we all know and love.

A far more important matter, to my way of thinking...

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2002 - 11:12 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

I've been out of town, so I'm late to this thread, but I'm certainly glad I caught it in time to learn about the upcoming screening. Thanks to one and all for a very informative discussion. One thing which I don't think was mentioned is the fact that Mamoulian was not only set to direct the film he was also the person who directed the original opera back in 1935, and before THAT he directed the straight-play version, PORGY.

Anyone remotely interested in Gershwin or the saga of PORGY AND BESS should check out a fine book:

"The Life and Times of PORGY AND BESS: The Story of an American Classic," by Hollis Alpert, Knopf, N.Y., 1990. Highly recommended!

 
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