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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1      General Discussion: Why Gapless Tracks?   Last Post   Posted:   Dec 27, 2014 - 2:08 PM     By:   Solium   (Member) Two separate tracks run together without silence between them, but are separate cues or digital files. This is frustrating when editing together ones own playlist, because if you take a cue out that is dependent on another cue there will be an abrupt start or stop of the cue you kept. Also if you make an MP3 disc, there will be a split second of silence between cues even if you left the entire scores as is, since MP3 doesn't support gap-less music. I understand indexing but this isn't really the case here. If two cues were meant to act as one orchestrated piece then it should be one track. I don't see the logic of spitting them up into two parts especially when the segue can be quite abrupt without gap-less playback.    Posted:   Dec 27, 2014 - 3:03 PM     By:   T.J. Turner   (Member) Two separate tracks run together without silence between them, but are separate cues or digital files. This is frustrating when editing together ones own playlist, because if you take a cue out that is dependent on another cue there will be an abrupt start or stop of the cue you kept. Also if you make an MP3 disc, there will be a split second of silence between cues even if you left the entire scores as is, since MP3 doesn't support gap-less music. I understand indexing but this isn't really the case here. If two cues were meant to act as one orchestrated piece then it should be one track. I don't see the logic of spitting them up into two parts especially when the segue can be quite abrupt without gap-less playback. Your intentions with the music are beyond the scope of the intended presentation set by the Artist or Producers. If you are taking the artist hard intended work and compressing and mix matching it all willy nilly, then the end result is your problem. Cues may be cross faded, or indexed into separate tracks for presentation and convenience. It's helpful. I have two recordings of Also Sprach Zarathustra conducted by Fritz Reiner and the Chicago Symphony orchestra. Both over 30 mins. But on one CD the piece is broken into 9 tracks but on another its all in 1 30 something minute track!    Posted:   Dec 27, 2014 - 3:28 PM     By:   Solium   (Member) Digital technology allows the end user to take tracks out and or rearrange. The fact someone could make custom playlists is what made platforms like iTunes so successful. I don't see the benefit in a music producer cutting a three or four minute track abruptly in the middle then making it seamless in the final presentation. But like you said, they obviously arranged the album in a way that works for them without concern for the end user.    Posted:   Dec 27, 2014 - 11:49 PM     By:   TerraEpon   (Member) I understand indexing but this isn't really the case here. If two cues were meant to act as one orchestrated piece then it should be one track. I don't see the logic of spitting them up into two parts especially when the segue can be quite abrupt without gap-less playback. So would you want the three final movments of Beethoven's 6th Symphony all over track? To give but one of 1000s of examples. Or how about....I dunno....each act in Wagner's The Ring? It doesn't affect the actual listening at ALL when listening on a CD. And if you're listening to Mp3s without gap compensation, you're either in the car or you're 'doin it rong'.    Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 1:12 AM     By:   .   (Member) Virtually any basic audio editing program allows easy deletions (or additions) of track markers. If a single continuous piece of music is divided into multiple tracks, all it means is that additional markers (dividers) have been placed at selected points on the waveform. To get rid of them, one only has to open the files in a waveform view, click on the unwanted markers to delete them, and save the changes. Alternatively, if one wants to divide a particularly long single track into several tracks, it's easy to add as many track markers as required at any points of one's choosing. If you haven't done so, you should investigate the free audio editors that are available online.    Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 3:39 AM     By:   Spymaster   (Member) The album producer is king. And rightfully so. They can't pander to the 10,000 random whims of the album's potential audience. Plus... iTunes is shit. So there!    Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 4:11 AM     By:   DeputyRiley   (Member) I wrote about this a bit in the Hunger Games: Mockingjay Pt. 1 thread recently, that album had a few unfortunate edits via gapless tracks. I really dislike it. I also make playlists and it's frustrating when a cue has an abrupt end or beginning. I love the Hunger Games music so much and will make a playlist of favorite selections from all 3 scores, it's a shame when the flow is interrupted by an abrupt cue start in the mix. Thankfully, they didn't do too many gapless tracks on those score albums. What's even worse, often the "one long cue" is split into two tracks at a strange and seemingly mistaken point...for example, the second track in a gapless duo of cues starts at the precise moment that a quiet horn solo is finishing its note, and then a few seconds later a string melody starts up. I'm like, if you're going to split this cohesive musical idea into two tracks, at least do it at a common sense point, in this example at the precise moment the horn solo has ended/the precise moment when the string melody starts up. When the powers that be create gapless tracks with that kind of inattention to detail, it's irritating and feels lazy on their part.    Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 4:37 AM     By:   johnbijl   (Member) The fact someone could make custom playlists is what made platforms like iTunes so successful. I think the convenience of organizing and carrying your music in your pocket has more to do with that succes. I would be surprised if a greater percentage that, say, five of iTunes users make custom playlists. Most users play songs or albums. The shuffle function however, is another story. they obviously arranged the album in a way that works for them without concern for the end user. I'd offer the opinion that, with applying their knowledge of music, presentation and musical story-telling and their professionalism, they certainly had the end user in mind.    Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 8:01 AM     By:   Solium   (Member) @ TerraEpon- I don’t know if I am doing it “rong” but I do make long mp3 discs for playback in my car. I don’t have any of those fancy little music boxes, just a regular CD player that can play mp3 discs. @ Spymaster- They don’t have to pander to 10,000 random whims, just mine. Isn’t that the correct response on FSM? @ DeputyRiely- Thxs for understanding, and not telling me I’m the problem! @ johnbijl - Making custom playlists and the shuffle feature are both popular in iTunes type platforms. Anyway even with shuffle it could badly break apart songs.    Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 8:29 AM     By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member) Not for anything, but even the earliest CD players allowed you to shuffle and program tracks. This isn't an iTunes thing, iTunes haters. So, this has been an option since the format began. Gapless tracks have always been a problem in this regard.    Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 8:33 AM     By:   waxmanman35   (Member) Long film cues are almost universally divided by the composer into shorter sections and recorded as separate takes; then segued in the editing process. It's generally done for economy, since it takes less time to re-record a bad take that's two or three minutes long than an eight or ten minute one. When movies were still presented via film projection it was also necessary to compose music so that it could transition cleanly between reel changes. Often those cues were sub-titled with part numbers or other indicators that they were essentially continuous pieces of music. The record producers, in seguing such tracks while using non-gapped tracks would be trying to provide the best of both worlds: representing the music as it was heard in the film, while identifying the cue section titles.    Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 11:56 AM     By:   .   (Member) This should be a non-issue for people creating their own playlists for computer/iTunes playback. It's like bemoaning a word processing document having a comma in the wrong place – all one needs to do is open the file and delete or move it with a couple of key presses. Same with track markers. Download one of the free audio editors that abound, open the audio files and move/add/delete the track divisions as you like. It's barely more complex than editing one of these posts.    Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 1:15 PM     By:   TerraEpon   (Member) Indeed, it's incredibly simple in Audacity (a fantastic and free audio editor). Open both, copy the entirety of the later one. click the 'end' button on the first one, and paste it. Save the new file, completely gapless.    Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 1:18 PM     By:   Solium   (Member) Indeed, it's incredibly simple in Audacity (a fantastic and free audio editor). Open both, copy the entirety of the later one. click the 'end' button on the first one, and paste it. Save the new file, completely gapless. I often do that, but I use WavePad instead. A program I like, and is easy for me to use. However sometimes it just doesn't merge correctly. I don't know why.     General Discussion: Why Gapless Tracks?    < 1  >   Go to page:  1   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1

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