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 Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

you mean unchained?! For a minute there i thought the original Franco Nero film was getting praise on this forum.
silly me.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Negroes riding around with cool sunglasses talking back (or is that 'black'?) to plantation owning southerners without instantly getting blown out of the saddle is all part of Tarantino-World;


Indeed putting aside whatever sense of stylization Tarantino has gained over the years, it looks like his absorption of history is influenced by the same source you seem to be, some pretty bad movies.

Getting back to my objection again, I'll return to my example of what if INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS went to Auschwitz. In BASTERDS the film opens up with the Hitchcockian sequence involving hiding under floorboards. It ends with a massacre but this revenge set-up is done like the movies. We know what real concentration camps were like and if they were introduced then it would interfere with this fantasy, unless portrayed in stylized movie context. We can all agree INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS like DJANGO UNCHAINED is a fantasy. So for me to be exposed to
not just serious, but real cruelties of slavery and then a real bloodbath and then watch DJANGO do his Roy Rogers horse tricks, even the raucous crowd I saw this with did not respond as they did at the end of BASTERDS.

Otherwise the film is loaded with dialogue that only Tarantino knows how to write these days. And all the borrowings from every western from THE SKIN GAME to Peckinpah is seamlessly integrated. And Django meeting Django is priceless!

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I don't know, but expecting historical accuracy in Django Unchained is like expecting the same from one of those Blaxploitation westerns of the early 70's. QT is a guy making the kind of films he grew up loving. That's what he does. Grindhouse films, 70's Kung Fu flicks, wartime adventures and the like. I get him. I made some training videos for my office and one was made like a 1960's adventure TV show. The other was more like a 70's cop mystery. They went over pretty well, because it was different form what was being done normally and it brought back feelings of nostalgia for some.

Honestly, he does what I would love to do professionally. Just so happens he's successful at it. Some of his work I like, others I don't, but I applaud him for making the films he loves and getting buttloads of money for it. But looking for any real historical accuracy is kind of a waste of time. How true to the period was Buck and the Preacher? Or (sorry this is the name) Boss Nigger? Or Take a Hard Ride?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

In terms of Tarantino, you first have to GET and then BUY the fictional universe he creates for you. If you don't do either, it will probably fall flat.

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

It's pretty much like accepting any fictional universe. Just not sci-fi or super-hero related. If you can accept super powered dues fighting giant robots, then why not something in a Tarantino film?

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I think his films are just unpleasant. Has nothing to do with if I get his style or universe. The literal tracking of music is also a total distraction.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I think his films are just unpleasant. Has nothing to do with if I get his style or universe. The literal tracking of music is also a total distraction.

The musical tracking is also very much part of the universe he's creating. So it isn't really a distraction from that; but it probably is a distraction for you, personally, since you do not like that approach. That's fair enough.

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

so if you dont "get" him, is there something wrong with you??

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

so if you dont "get" him, is there something wrong with you??

Yes. You need to see a doctor immediately!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

It's pretty much like accepting any fictional universe. Just not sci-fi or super-hero related. If you can accept super powered dues fighting giant robots, then why not something in a Tarantino film?

Because it's set in a specific historical context, one we all know about, more or less. I'm quite happy to watch Star trek, Stargate or whatever. I accept that this is a created world, that a work of imagination has been put in a blank space. Not so with Tarantino's efforts. He's trying to put something over what is already there, which is called History, or at least Accepted History. It's like an artist trying to paint over Whistler's Mother or something. There may be a parallel universe somewhere where what Tarantino is presenting us with actually happened, but it's not this one. In this one something else happened, and we know about it. You--or at least I--can't unknow what I know just because this 'genius' wants to modify history (and pretty sad history at that). I don't get it and I don't want it.

As you may have guessed, I'm the kid who wouldn't play Cowboys and Indians unless all the other kids were accurately attired and aware of the historical context. That's just the way it is.

P.S. Haven't seen it yet, but I suspect '12 Years a Slave' may be more my bag.

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

pp, you are wasting your time old son.
No borderline waverers ripe to be converted on this thread!!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 5:18 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Still, food for thought, eh?

No?

Oh, okay...

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 6:35 PM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Hey pp312, I`m similarly looking forward to the evening I am moved to pop the BluRay of 12 Years A Slave into the olde machine. *I know I`m not going to hear hip songs or liberally borrowed score*... .

 
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