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"In dispute was the fact that even though (Antonio) Sanchez’s drum score was dominant, comprising more than 50% of the total music, at question was the use of classical music cues for other points in the film. Under their rules of eligibility as spelled out in their guidelines for entrants, “scores diluted by use of tracked themes or other pre-existing music, diminished in impact by the predominant use of songs, or assembled from the music of more than one composer shall not be eligible”.
From Deadline Hollywood.
http://deadline.com/2014/12/birdman-out-oscars-academy-rejects-appeal-1201332029/
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Didn't hurt Babel! Ugh.
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Dec 22, 2014 - 1:11 PM
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Jon Broxton
(Member)
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As I said on Facebook, the point of this decision is to minimize the potential for errors, and avoid situations they had in the past, like the BABEL issue Sean mentioned.
Academy voters are going to hear a score like BIRDMAN, which is 50% improvised drum solos and 50% tracked in classical music, and many are likely to be confused by who wrote what, and vote based on incorrect assumptions that the classical music is Sanchez's. In those circumstances it makes sense for the score to be declared ineligible, because to leave it there would be unfair to those composers who wrote ALL their film's score. It's not about the STYLE of the music. Drum scores, synth scores, jazz scores, full orchestral scores, are all valid ways of scoring a film. In this case, it's to do with the confusion of what is actually the score. If Hans Zimmer wins the Oscar for Intestellar, it's because people were impressed with what HE wrote for film. If Sanchez were to have won, you can guarantee that more than 50% of the people who voted for him would have done so because they were impressed with the Rachmaninov and the John Adams, rather than Sanchez's drumming.
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Another wise music academy decision for a score that likely would've won in the same "emperor's new cloths" fashion as the similarly cacophonic, film-distracting way of Social Network. I consider this a blow in support of melody and themes - while they still last that is.
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As I said on Facebook, the point of this decision is to minimize the potential for errors, and avoid situations they had in the past, like the BABEL issue Sean mentioned.
Academy voters are going to hear a score like BIRDMAN, which is 50% improvised drum solos and 50% tracked in classical music, and many are likely to be confused by who wrote what, and vote based on incorrect assumptions that the classical music is Sanchez's. In those circumstances it makes sense for the score to be declared ineligible, because to leave it there would be unfair to those composers who wrote ALL their film's score. It's not about the STYLE of the music. Drum scores, synth scores, jazz scores, full orchestral scores, are all valid ways of scoring a film. In this case, it's to do with the confusion of what is actually the score. If Hans Zimmer wins the Oscar for Intestellar, it's because people were impressed with what HE wrote for film. If Sanchez were to have won, you can guarantee that more than 50% of the people who voted for him would have done so because they were impressed with the Rachmaninov and the John Adams, rather than Sanchez's drumming.
This is exactly what I've been saying. The members of the Academy are completely stupid about music and would absolutely have assumed that Sanchez wrote it all. It's ridiculous, but that's what you're dealing with and that's why, had they allowed it, it would have won.
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Didn't you mean to write:
WHIPLASH drummed out of Academy consideration
?
ahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
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Dec 22, 2014 - 2:40 PM
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desplatfan1
(Member)
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As I said on Facebook, the point of this decision is to minimize the potential for errors, and avoid situations they had in the past, like the BABEL issue Sean mentioned.
Academy voters are going to hear a score like BIRDMAN, which is 50% improvised drum solos and 50% tracked in classical music, and many are likely to be confused by who wrote what, and vote based on incorrect assumptions that the classical music is Sanchez's. In those circumstances it makes sense for the score to be declared ineligible, because to leave it there would be unfair to those composers who wrote ALL their film's score. It's not about the STYLE of the music. Drum scores, synth scores, jazz scores, full orchestral scores, are all valid ways of scoring a film. In this case, it's to do with the confusion of what is actually the score. If Hans Zimmer wins the Oscar for Intestellar, it's because people were impressed with what HE wrote for film. If Sanchez were to have won, you can guarantee that more than 50% of the people who voted for him would have done so because they were impressed with the Rachmaninov and the John Adams, rather than Sanchez's drumming.
The only error they had with Babel is that the Academy thought that Iguazu was an original piece. Also, the members always get a For Your Consideration promo from all the nominated films with only the original music written on these. So they can discern the difference between source music and original score.
Besides, the Academy nominate films because of how well these were received. That's the reason why certain scores have won in the past.
I'm only glad if this might give Desplat a chance of winning this year.
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As I said on Facebook, the point of this decision is to minimize the potential for errors, and avoid situations they had in the past, like the BABEL issue Sean mentioned.
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The only error they had with Babel is that the Academy thought that Iguazu was an original piece. Also, the members always get a For Your Consideration promo from all the nominated films with only the original music written on these. So they can discern the difference between source music and original score.
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I have the FYC of BABEL!
for sale: CHEAP
BRM
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The HUGE difference with the also drummed-out WHIPLASH is that there is a melodic component to its music, which is different than just thrashing away to make dialogue incomprehensible. It truly gets inside the character's head in a way that represents the music, and how it's abusively getting to him. Plus its also thematic. Sad that happened to it. But if it did to stop Birdman, so be it
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Whoever recorded the score should get an award. I felt like I was in the room with the drum kit. That's about the one good thing I will say about this film and its score.
Can people seriously not tell the difference between the score versus Ravel, Rachmaninoff, and Tchaikovsky?!
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